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Release Date

Grand Theft Auto 5's release date was originally to be in May of 2013. But after debate of some questionable features to be taken out of the game. The release date has now been set to September 17 2013. The game will be in stores at midnight in most parts of the world! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RockStar Game (talk • contribs) 03:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you not see that the release date information is already in the article? STATicmessage me! 05:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

error in first section

"Lost" Santos? C'mon, fix that up. Bush league move for an article locked for editing. Just kidding. Big love. But fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oodus (talk • contribs) 14:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done - The article underwent a major overhaul this morning. Eros crypt inn. - X201 (talk) 15:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

My fault. I did a rewrite and thought I'd spell-checked it enough, but I obviously missed that error. Thanks, X201. CR4ZE (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Gone Gold

Maybe it'd be nice to update the Development section with the official announcement that GTA V has gone gold. Seen in the comments of this article. Maybe a mention of the recent leaks too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpiderVice (talk • contribs) 14:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Its coming. - X201 (talk) 17:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I added information on the leak a few days ago, and I'm trying to find a way to incorporate the "gone gold" fact into the section now. It should be there in a matter of minutes. --Rhain1999 (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Does the article need (commonly shortened as GTA V)?

The lead section of the article is fragmented by the insert (commonly shortened as GTA V). While I know that it is a common abbreviation to use for the game in informal conversation, I don't see how that necessitates including the abbreviation in the opening sentence of the article. When I contribute to the article and refer back I give it its full title Grand Theft Auto V because I think it takes on a more formal and encyclopedic tone. Do we need to include the insert for the abbreviation GTA V? It disrupts the flow of the opening sentence and I'd be happy to see it go. CR4ZE (talk) 17:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I can understand its use in articles for new game series, and ones where the game's acronym isn't obvious, but Grand Theft Auto has been around ages and is a fairly straightforward acronym. The added fact that we do the right thing and use the full name only serves to make the GTA explanation even more redundant. - X201 (talk) 08:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Soundtrack info

Rolling Stone interview with various people responsible for the soundtrack. - X201 (talk) 09:32, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Uncovered some more potential references

Uncovered some goldmine sources today, and I'm going to list them here and use them in my continual writing. Feel free to use them as well.

1. Americana at Its Most Felonious - Q. and A.: Rockstar’s Dan Houser on Grand Theft Auto V (By Chris Suellentrop, published 9 November 2012)
2. GTA 5 mural being painted onto famous Figueroa Hotel (By David Scammell, published 9 August 2013)
3. GTA V: Burning Questions Answered (By Greg Miller, published 16 November 2012)
4. "Way Beyond Anything We’ve Done Before": Building The World Of "Grand Theft Auto V" (By Joseph Bernstein, published 13 August 2013)
5. Rockstar North Boss on GTA Online, Why the Time is Finally Right (By Shaun McInnis, published 15 August 2013)
6. GTA 5 is "much faster" than GTA 4, characters won't "do crazy things for no reason" (By Edwin Evans-Thirlwell, published 16 July 2013)
7. GTA 5 writer explains the decision to develop for current gen consoles (By Kevin Gifford, published 14 November 2012)
8. Crime pays: meet the brains behind Grand Theft Auto (By Ben Mckelvey, published 26 December 2012)

CR4ZE (talk) 14:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Release Date

The Japanese release date is not September 17. The given release date is not worldwide, Japan will have to wait to October 10.HjalteRMC (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)HjalteRMC

Extreme overuse of the word "partake."

Writer(s) would do well to avoid the overuse of the word "partake" and all of its form. Very distracting to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.189.128.15 (talk) 14:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd partake in the removal the usage of the word if it constituted improper English, however the term is used twice in an appropriate context to clearly explain that the player can (for lack of a better word) partake in activities. Participate would be an alternative, but there'd probably be somebody else who found the use of participate "distracting". CR4ZE (talk) 17:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Not distracted by it, but it's slightly wordier. I don't see a problem with "partake". "Partook" looks stupid. InedibleHulk(talk) 13:22, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Is GTA V really a third person shooter?

I'd like to see the arguments for this statement. I've always associated the Grand Theft Auto with driving and organized crime. Although shooting is definitely a part of the game, it can be argued that it is not "the main activity" -- a player likely spends considerably more time driving or "exploring the sandbox" than shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Throsturth (talk • contribs) 20:24, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I wouldn't personally call it that. Without a source, seems strange that Wikipedia would. In this GTA especially, it looks like there are more things than ever to do besides shooting. InedibleHulk(talk) 13:29, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

It is a 3rd person shooter and a driving game hybrid, so I added the driving part to the lead.Frmorrison (talk) 15:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Budget and length

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Today it was revealed that GTAV has the biggest budget in videogame history, with a budget of £170 million. And the game is 100 hours long.

It's also the 2cnd highest budget for a piece of entertainment (2cnd to Pirates of the Carabien 3)

"According to reports from Scottish website, Scotsman.com, the Edinburgh based game has a marketing and development budget of £170 million."

http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/look-at-the-size-of-the-gta-v-budget/

"GTA V is believed to be one of the most expensive video games ever made, boasting an estimated budget of £170 million."

"The vice-president of Rockstar Games has confirmed that Grand Theft Auto V will last players around 100 hours.

Dan Houser made the comments during a chinwag with The Guardian,"

http://www.psu.com/a020899/GTA-V-is-100-hours-long-confirms-Rockstar

--Kandyce 2013 (talk) 13:11, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done - X201 (talk) 15:42, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Please be wary about using The Scotsman source. The claimed budget has not been confirmed or denied by Rockstar Games and the projection McLaughlin gives is an estimation. So long as we say that the budget cited is an estimation, that's ok. Also, including the estimated length of the game in the Gameplay section gets away from the core gameplay, which is what that section needs to be. It'd be better to synthesise information from that interview (such as when Houser's talking about the design of the game, the influence of cinema etc.) into the Development [and sub-sections] at appropriate spots. CR4ZE (talk) 16:38, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I think it's safe to say the source from The Scotsman is pretty accurate. What with me being British and knowing what the Scottish are like. And what with the The Scotsman advertising a job vacancy to be a games tester at Rockstar North and test GTAV for a salary of £14,000 a year back in January 2011 i think it was. I applied for the very job myself. That was legit, so i think it's safe to say this is legit too.--Kandyce 2013 (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

No opinion on the budget, but using a word like "confirmed" for how long players in general will take isn't great. "Estimated" would be OK. Mileage always varies wildly with an open game like this. InedibleHulk(talk) 17:56, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Available on Xbox 360

on the info box to the right of the article under the "platform(s)" section, it does not mention Xbox 360. --92.232.146.115 (talk) 10:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Someone removed it without explanation. I reverted it. Regards SoWhy 10:47, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Most expensive game ever?

It isn't fair to include marketing costs, which, by all standards, has absolutely nothing to do with actual game development, in total price point.

Development costs is the cost used to develop the game, which would rightfully result in GTA V loosing it's bragging power as "the most expensive game ever". I'll bet they even reached the price point just to be able to call it the most expensive game ever.

For people who doesn't understand gaming, the price point is deceiving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.27.80 (talk) 08:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Good map reference?

I found this map and it would be nice for the references section! http://gtavox.com/map/— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.102.156.210 (talk) 01:48, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

A 3.5/5 review of GTA V neglected?

The Escapist is a fairly popular and large gaming site with reviews. They have reviewed the game and chose a 3.5/5 (7/10) for their review. Adding this article to the reception portion would should show that some game media professionals did have complaints about the game at launch. The revie is from a reputable and popular English language site. That would show that popular media outlets all may have liked the game but not all given it perfect or near perfect scores.

The review (2 pages) http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/reviews/10598-Grand-Theft-Auto-5-Review-People-Suck

Alexa for escapist: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/escapistmagazine.com— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.115.103.90 (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: It should be noted the review is included on metacritic. http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/grand-theft-auto-v/critic-reviews?dist=neutral— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.115.103.90 (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I would have to note that yes, this is exactly a case where the Escapist score is an outlier to the rest and as an RS, needs to be included as counter to the higher praise everyone else has given the game. --MASEM (t) 18:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Clearly they are not going to include it, as that could hurt the sales, there are just too much money and hype in this, I believe many of the reviewers gave higher scores just out of fear from fans and the Rockstar, I saw the videos and reviews, I don't believe it's that good. 81.198.216.220 (talk) 01:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Given what the review takes issue with, I imagine it would go in a section/paragraph discussing the story rather than the game mechanics. When the time comes, here's a little something to put with it. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 15:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Having only browsed the review to get the gist and that article (dont have the game yet) this would seem to be completely appropriate way to address that score/story issue. --MASEM (t) 15:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Reception > Sales

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Grand Theft Auto V grossed US$ 800 million on its launch day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TQTBR2 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Added. --MASEM (t) 20:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Soundtrack to have it's own page

Since the game is out, I think it's time to make a page for the soundtrack like the other GTA articles in Wikipedia. Here's a article for the soundtrack [1]. -TheDeviantPro (talk) 09:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Soundtrack information

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For the fifth installment of Grand Theft Auto, video game developer and publisher Rockstar Games turned to DJ Shadow's veteran hands to help mix and arrange the much-talked-about game's soundtrack <http://www.djshadow.com/news/shadow-lends-hand-new-grand-theft-auto> Velheru (talk) 12:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done (Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack and The Music of Grand Theft Auto V)

Correction to 2nd best selling XBox360 game claim

The 13-14 million estimated sales include PS3 sales. Therefore, the entire sales figures should not be listed as being 360 sales, which is being done currently. The list of best selling XBox360 games needs updating as well to correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.181.200 (talk) 17:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Grammatical Error

In the final paragraph of the article, it says on "'it's' release date." It should be the possessive "its", not the contraction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.171.162.204 (talk) 23:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Reception section

Is somebody else able to help me collate and read reviews to add to the Reception section? I added an expansion template because as of right now the only solid information about the Reception is the quote I added from IGN about the story. Given that the game is in full circulation now, the article would benefit from an adequate Reception section. CR4ZE (talk) 09:14, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Mentioning the controversy surrounding the in-game torture scene

I think the article should mention the controversy surrounding the in-game torture scene, anyone agrees?. - TheDeviantPro (talk) 21:27, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Done. CR4ZE (talk) 13:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Change Audio subhead of Development to Music?

Audio is currently not the proper title for this section: there is no information about the sound effects, voice acting, etc. Only the music, and the title should reflect that. If more information is added, then changing it back to audio would make sense. Music is only a portion of Audio in a video game. 173.196.54.44 (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Noted. CR4ZE (talk) 16:21, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Why controversy section is unnecessary.

If the US Government can torture muslims in an prison in Cuba, why can't we do it to animated people inside a video game? with this, I believe a controversy section is a least superfluous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emigdioofmiami (talk • contribs) 02:54, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

We're not here to make political statements, so there's no point to comparing to that. The torture scene in the game is part of its negative reception and thus necessary to be covered to balance the article. --MASEM (t) 03:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

In your edit summary you made some politically motivated statement which you used to justify deleting the entire section. As Masem said, we're not here to make such statements, but to provide accurate documentation of the reception of the game. The mission in question stirred up a generous amount of controversy, and was reported on by a number of reliable third-party sources. You have no case for the information not being included. Whatever your personal opinion on the issue is, is irrelevant. The fact that there have been a number of sources documenting the controversy makes it notable. CR4ZE (talk) 11:47, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

expand section tag

Please hold off on adding this tag for now. Te article is under nomination or In The News on the front page, and orange tags are considered a reason to hold such nominations. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Please do not remove maintenance tags without fixing the problem, the prose of the critical reception section is significantly lacking, as only one single review (IGN) is detailed in prose. Every single review in the ratings template needs to also have prose in the section, and someone with more knowledge of video game reviewers needs to trim the ratings template down, as it sits now it is exponentially long. The template is supposed to summarize the critical reception of the subject, not list every single publication that gave it a review. STATicmessage me! 20:49, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

The expand section tag is not relevant to what I understand of your objection. If you want additional material added to address a balance issue you see, you can add it. It is improper for you to command others to do work according to some invisible standard in your head. I'll look at a balance issue, but since this item has only been available for less than a week it is not helpful to demand reaction coverage already be to a certain standard. Also look at the fact that an item being published at In the news is also meant to draw editors who will do exactly what you want, expand the article. μηδείς (talk) 21:09, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

For video game articles, we generally have 2-3 paragraphs of prose to summarize the reviews of the game; as big as this one is, that might be 3-4 paragraphs. This isn't arbitrary here - just summarizing the references in the table is not sufficient for a proper article. The expand-section is completely reasonable here as we expect this to be added so this is something for other editors if they think they can help to provide that assistance. --MASEM (t) 21:12, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

That's not something that has to be addressed within 15 minutes or the world will end, the next few days is fine, no? In the meanwhile, the orange tag, which is not necessary will keep the article off the front page as a news item. How does that benefit the article? μηδείς (talk) 22:00, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

My understanding from WP:ITN is that article-level warning tags, not section-level, is what stops an article being posted. The expand-section tag should not be limiting a new article from being posted. --MASEM (t) 22:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Co-producer not listed

Imran Sarwar is a co-producer for this game. It should be listed that he did work with Leslie. 92.22.39.112 (talk) 22:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Small errors in plot

In the plot section, it says Jimmy is overdue on his loan payment, though Michael makes it clear that the car dealership is running a scam, not needing the car back for missed payment.

Secondly, Michael doesn't lead Trevor to believe Brad is in prison; in fact I'm pretty sure he doesn't even reply to Trevor whenever Trevor mentions this. It should instead be noted it's Dave Norton leading him to believe this, through the letters/e-mails, which is the only reason Trevor believes Brad is alive. Also, it may be better to add in the same section that the first two sentences of the paragraph happen in North Yankton at the cemetery - there's no context as to where Trevor is fleeing from, and Trevor only properly finds out Brad is dead by digging up the grave in North Yankton. RDXL (talk) 22:14, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Do we need the "Main characters" section?

I removed this section from the article but it's been put back again. Hitherto, this section has been a placeholder in the absence of a proper "Plot" section. Given that we now have a characters page and a proper "Plot" section, isn't this section just additional cruft details about the characters that we'd do better without? CR4ZE (talk) 05:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Source confirmation for development section

"Grand Theft Auto V was envisioned to exceed the core mechanics of the Grand Theft Auto by giving the player three lead protagonists to switch between while playing the game. Vice president Dan Houser opined that the primary motivations to include three protagonists were for Grand Theft Auto V to innovate open world storytelling, and to prevent the series from feeling stale by not evolving the core structure of the gameplay. "We didn't want to do the same thing over again", he explained."[33] (Development, second paragraph) What is the source for the first part? Is it the same as source 33? (Should be quoted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CobaltHex (talk • contribs) 18:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request September 9, 2013

"IGN's Keza MacDonald praised the development of the lead protagonists, as it helped pace the story better and eliminate inconsistencies she[who?] felt the story of Grand Theft Auto IV had. She[who?] also praised the scope of the game world, and opined that the open world gameplay resulted in San Andreas feeling like a 'living world'.[78]" (under the reception section)

I think it's pretty obvious that the "she" is Keza MacDonald. Can the "[who?]'s" be removed please? --69.126.210.25 (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Actors in GTA V are more than Voice Actors

I am new to this forum and thought I would submit this to the talk page so someone else could update the site. The actors are referred to as voice actors, but they are mo cap actors at minimum, if not real actors. Below is from an interview with Dan Hauser from 9/13 in the Guardian:

And this is about full performance capture these days?

We gave up the phrase voice actor in 2008 and we haven't used it since. We don't have voice actors anymore, because they're the same as the mo-cap actors.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/sep/13/grand-theft-auto-5-dan-houser

Michael J Pemulis (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)Michael J Pemulis

GAN

Isn't it a bit early to nominate the article for GA status given that the game was just released last week? At the moment editors appear to still be adding content to the article. I would recommend the nominator, Boaxy, to withdraw the GAN, wait for the edits to level off and let the article settle down for a week or two before re-nominating it for the GA status. Regards --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 01:25, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is far too early and the reception section is far too out of shape to be a GAN. The table needs to be cut down to about 5-6 reviews + aggregates, while each review listed used within the reception section (along with those to be removed) --MASEM (t) 01:35, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

The editor who nominated the article hasn't contributed to the article, but could have opened up a discussion about the GAN here, which they didn't either. Another editor also ranked this article as "B-class" without going through the correct process. The article is presently about C-class and nowhere near ready for a GAN, not without a decent Reception section and not while the article is very unstable given the game was only released last week. I'm going to demote the article back to Start class and it will have to stay that way. I'm also going to request the editor withdraws the GAN. CR4ZE (talk) 03:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

PC Release

It seems that GTA V will be released for PC according to Amazon on November 22, 2013. Please confirm. 190.118.3.104 (talk) 00:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Review

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Please can someone add my review to the external links? The link is http://ghoststorm.co.uk/grand-theft-auto-v-review/

Thanks Nutronic (talk) 11:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Nope. WP:VG/S. CR4ZE (t) 14:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

The Marketing for Grand Theft Auto V article has been nominated for deletion. Discussion is here (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marketing_for_Grand_Theft_Auto_V). - X201 (talk) 08:18, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Remove second release date

The 22 November release date simply hasn't been confirmed by credible source, especially since the removal of Windows from the platform - if that isn't trusted, why should a non-major retailer showing that as the release date still count as being credible? RDXL (talk) 20:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 October 2013

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This page is about the KKK and not GTA5

178.250.114.250 (talk) 12:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Article back to normal. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 12:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

PlayStation 4

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Can you play it on PlayStation 4? Pass a Methodtalk 10:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

The game is currently available for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. It has currently not been announced for any other platforms. -- Rhain1999^{(talk to me)} 00:58, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding DJ Pooh to GTA V side bar as Creative Consultant

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I wanted to add DJ Pooh as a creative consultant to GTA V. He appears in the manual credits. This is significant, as Pooh was a writer and creator of Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, and I'd like to list him on the GTA V side bar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas, http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/51371/the-free-gtav-ifruit-and-game-manual-companion-apps.html

--Tommylandav (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done for now: Sorry it took so long to respond to this. Please could you provide a reliable source showing that Pooh did this specifically for GTA V. A Wikipedia article cannot serve as a source, and the rockstargames.com page appears not to mention Pooh at all. If you have a source, you can reply here and change "answered=yes" above to "answered=no". Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 11:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Advocating torture?

It says in the article that Trevor states torture is useful for getting information but in the game and in the source linked for that quote it shows he says the exact opposite. "You torture for the good times - we should admit that. It's useless as a means of getting information!" and the quote in the article is from a few seconds before "[The media and the government would have us believe that torture is some necessary thing.] We need it to get information, to assert ourselves. [Did we get any information out of you?]" The parts in brackets are truncated out of the quote. He is talking about what the media and government believe, then four sentences later he explains its useless for getting information, what he believes. Even if you want to say that is an interpretation in some way, we cant ignore "useless as a means of getting information" and push the out of context "we need it to get information" I think it has it both ways in the article but not in the controversy section which is just confusing. In game you end up assassinating a man for smoking left handed while having a beard based on torture gathered information. Its made clear by the other characters that this is bad intel and they could have killed an innocent person. And its locked so I cant edit it even if I wanted, but usually these things get reverted anyway for no apparent reason. Revswim (talk) 20:16, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

An easy fix. In the context of the whole monologue, Trevor is pointing out that torture is useless but it's abused anyway by authoritative figures. The direct quote in the article is misleading, because he's beginning to make a point which flows into the next (un-quoted) sentence. I simply removed "to get information"; should be clearer now. CR4ZE (t)

Perhaps something about "spoilers present" at the top?

I know, it should be obvious, but a spoiler warning is just "good netiquette". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shornby (talk • contribs) 01:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

"Good netiquette" isn't a reason to have a spoiler warning; there is no spoiler template, and I've never seen an article which has a warning at the top. I'm not sure I understand why you think the article would need one. CR4ZE (t)

I know that the GTA Wiki has spoiler tags, but Wikipedia does not. Besides, the only section of this article that has full-on spoilers is "Plot", and it's a given that you don't read that if you don't want to spoil the plot for yourself. -- Rhain1999^{(talk to me)} 05:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

See WP:SPOILER - we used to have them but decided that what is and isn't a spoiler is controversal and the aspect that a reader may encounter spoilers is under our content disclaimers. --MASEM (t) 06:06, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Also see WP:NDA. CR4ZE (t)

Marketing section grammatical error

The last sentence in the marketing section reads thusly: "Rockstar hired Shelby Welinder, an English model and actress who was portrait as a blonde beach babe on a promotional artwork for Grand Theft Auto V". The word "portrait" should be changed to "portrayed" or the sentence reworded. I'm only a casual wiki'er so I can't edit it or anything. Just a minor gripe that I noticed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.65.79 (talk) 17:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

GTA Online

What about something for GTA Online in this article, or better yet, as a separate article entry?

Why I say that GTA Online should have a separate article entirely is because although it is set within the GTA V continuity, it is going to expand beyond the GTA V world as time goes on [1]. To put it bluntly, GTA Online is not going to just be tied with GTA V, it is its own entity.

58.170.237.163 (talk) 09:39, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

At present GTA Online is the online component of GTA V. If and when it expands beyond that then it can be split off into its own article. At present, it doesn't warrant it. - X201 (talk) 10:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

3.3 "Music" section was in terrible shape. Please review my changes before rolling anything back

3.3 had unrelated content, adverts for the band related to the talk-radio voice actors (??), poor spelling, poor punctuation, confusing run-on sentences, near-duplicate content in two sentences, and so on.

None of this was related to British English vs. American English - it was simply "bad english" after all the edits! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shornby (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to sound harsh, but you created a couple more issues in your edits. You didn't italicise "GTA" (which should simply be "Grand Theft Auto" to keep consistency with the article) and you split off a couple of sentences to make a one-and-a-half line paragraph, both of which are MoS violations. CR4ZE (t)

Understood, and you're not being harsh. I appreciate the feedback. Trying to repair this section (and leave as much relevant content intact as possible) results in more errors than creating something clean. Apologies for my errors, and I would be happy if someone could change this - I can't address any changes for at least a day or so (assuming my changes weren't rolled back - I can't check until later.) Stephen Hornby 19:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shornby (talk • contribs)

Just looked at paragraph - can someone please fix the "shared between 15 radio stations" phrase? Content isn't shared between radio stations - that would be dead air space! Thanks, S Stephen Hornby 19:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shornby (talk • contribs)

I still don't understand how "shared between fifteen radio stations" is poor syntax. Can you explain? CR4ZE (t)

The game intro credits some of the music to Tangerine Dream, not Edgar Froese. Even though Froese IS Tangerine Dream, in my opinion the right thing to do is to give credit to the band as the game does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.173.36.185 (talk) 17:41, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll check the opening credits and if you're right, the article should change to reflect this. CR4ZE (t) 14:24, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

GTA Online section/article

Given the numerous disastrous problems with the online multiplayer for GTA V (which I can provide a multitude of sources if necessary), I think it's time we added a section or perhaps an article on GTA Online. This was hyped as being essentially the key tenant of the release of this game, and with the many problems surrounding its release two weeks after the main game (including many being stuck on the tutorial mission, cloud servers being overloaded and deleting characters, money being lost, etc.) it seems like it at least warrants some mention in here. - Sausboss (talk) 21:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree. GTA Online is it's own game and should have it's own article. There was so much controversy and notable mishaps that are not even mentioned in the article. Not only that but GTA Online also changed the evolution of gaming forever as noted by many critics. CloudKade11 (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't need its own article per se, but I am working on a section which will go here. CR4ZE (t) 01:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see if I can add on anything when you're done. - Sausboss (talk) 16:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I've added a summary of the technical issues. If you want to expand it a little bit, go for it. CR4ZE (t) 22:46, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Current Sales

vgchartz.com lists sales of over 20 million for GTA V. Wow. Analysts: 'GTA V to sell 25 million copies in a year.' Well, it's done close to that in less than a month.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Grand+Theft+Auto+V&publisher=1412&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.146.184 (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

VGChartz is not a reliable source. I'm sure we'll have better sales numbers to reflect first month performance soon. --MASEM (t) 15:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Jack Thompson paragraph in Controversy

I don't really see how this paragraph pertains to the controversy surrounding the game. It reads more like a calculated attack on Thompson, and doesn't prove anything about the game being controversial. Just that Thompson is a cretin. Should it go? CR4ZE (t) 11:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

The two sources just show Thompson's hatred toward GTA (I doubt very much that really is Jack Thompson on GameZone) and I agree with you that it makes him look like a cretin. I think it should go. UltraViolet Light 20:39, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I've taken the paragraph out. If anybody has a case for its inclusion I'd still like to hear it. CR4ZE (t) 01:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure... Thing is, I don't think any major news outlet cares for the man anymore, let alone a video game-based one. But it does offer some fair information about one man's opinion. Could we maybe change the wording around, not mention the last bit? --Soetermans. T / C 11:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Second thought: would that be censoring for the sake of "fairness"? --Soetermans. T / C 11:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

The point isn't that we're censoring information; we should welcome all controversies pertaining to the game to help balance the article. That's why I developed the controversy section as it is -- the article didn't mention the accusations of misogyny until I backed it up with a number of reliable sources. That's the difference here; the paragraph on the exchange between Thompson and Liebl was backed up by Liebl's own blog, with no third-party sources mediating on the exchange. Also, as I explained above, the exchange between them doesn't particularly pertain to controversies surrounding GTA V, let alone around a specific controversy within the Grand Theft Auto at all. Thompson's just making the claim that video games kill people, not people, and only uses GTA V as a general case in point. This information would be better under a large umbrella article, like the controversies section over at the series page, or on Thompson's own wiki page. CR4ZE (t) 14:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Three lead actors

I noticed that the actors who play the three protagonists are not mentioned by name in the article. I added the actor names, in brackets, after the listing of the character names in the body of the text, like this: "played through three player-controlled protagonists: Michael (Ned Luke), Trevor (Steven Ogg), and Franklin (Shawn Fonteno)".

User:Soetermans reverted these edits (not unreasonably) with the explanation "Reverted good faith edits by OldakQuill (talk): Protagonists are portrayed by non-notable actors, not necessary to mention then. (TW)". I'm raising this here to determine what other editors of this article think about the inclusion of the names of these actors in this article.

If this were a film, there would be no question about including the names of the actors playing the lead roles. Obviously, video games are different, with voice actors in the past receiving little recognition. In this game, the actors didn't just provide voice acting, but were rendered using motion capture (think Andy Serkis in Lord of the Rings). As such, the likenesses of the actors are captured in the video game much in the way that the likeness of an actor is captured in a film. Even if we disregard the significance of motion capture here, these are lead actors in a video game widely covered in the press, and which has broken video game sales records.

Soetermans makes the point that these were non-notable actors. But I contend that they are notable actors due to their performance in this particular video game (every major film actor was non-notable before their break-through role). I am not suggesting we create articles for each of these actors, just that we find space to mention them, by name, in this several thousand word long article.

Could we get some feedback on whether the actor names should or should not be included? --OldakQuill 16:22, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Per item 10 of WP:GAMECRUFT, a list of the voice actors for a game is only appropriate when the actors have notability for work outside of the game itself. Neither Ned Luke, Steven Ogg or Shawn Fonteno have their own articles, probably because their work outside of the game hasn't been significant enough in the field. CR4ZE (t) 01:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I think that this rule is wrong in this case, for the reasons mentioned above. I am not suggesting we include a cast list, but these three actors have had articles written about them in both specialist game publications, and in newspapers (see the Google News results for "Steven Ogg", for instance, which returns articles in the Toronto Sun and Calgary Herald about Steven Ogg). --OldakQuill 05:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I do understand your point of view, V has an enormous impact, both critically and financially, and the three protoganists and their respective actors have a huge role in the game. It is not that because these actors are redlinked right now, it's just that besides portraying these characters in the game there is no word on their part of the production or reception of their work, which in my opinion would merit a reason to have their names mentioned. For instance, well-established voice actors like Troy Baker in BioShock Infinite and The Last of Us and Nolan North in the Uncharted games are notable for portraying those characters and have a significant role in the proces. I'm not saying that these three actors didn't have that role, it's just that right now, we can't say for sure. Armin Shimerman portrayed BioShock's Andrew Ryan and his portrayal was critically acclaimed, IGN thought feels that in Batman: Arkham City"[T]he voice acting (...) stands out". The link you, OldakQuill, provided is a first step in getting the notability up, but I wouldn't just have the actor's name in brackets, I would prefer a subsection on the voice acting. --Soetermans. T / C 10:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, OK. I understand what your position is, and I agree with it. I'll try to write up a paragraph about the voice acting/motion capture in this game later. A user in the discussion above posted an interview by Dan Houser which discusses the use of motion capture in the game (this is the interview). This can be one source. Many thanks for your feedback. --OldakQuill 11:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

If you're going to write about the acting of the lead characters, it should go under Development not Gameplay -- I'd suggest creating a new paragraph under the third "central theme" paragraph. IGN have just done a couple of feature with Steven Ogg about his role in the game 12. CR4ZE (t) 01:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I find it absolutely absurd that the voice actors aren't mentioned. The Wikipedia pages for Grand Theft Autos 3, Vice City, San Andreas, and 4 all name the voice actors. But even beyond that, this video game is surpassing global sales across the board in entertainment, including music and film. There should be 1,000 articles on Wikipedia dedicated just to GTA V to be within 1 billionth the amount of undue weight this website gives lesser films and music. There should be a page for every voice actor's pets. Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 17:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Credits

There's a small edit war on the credits. Two items are at issue:

1. Director. Per guidelines, that's the "creative director(s), who had an overseeing role in the creative development of the game". Adam Fowler was tech director, he had nothing to do with the creative side, he was overseeing all code development. Dan and Leslie were the creative forces behind the game, so I'd put Dan there (Leslie is already credited as producer and designer immediately afterwards). Dan's title in the game was "VP of creative".

2. Programmer. Guidelines say "This field is often unfilled in modern high budget development due to large team sizes and collaboration... If three or more people are credited as "lead programmer" discuss who is the "main" programmer and list that person or omit this field". There are more than 10 lead programmers credited, and the credits had one random lead listed as the programmer. I'd argue that this should be left empty. (I had initially put Adam Fowler in there, which in retrospect was wrong.) EboMike (talk) 00:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

1. From wikipedia article, Technical Director is typically responsible for the successful creation and delivery of the company's product.

2. Once again from wikipedia article, a Programmer is a person who writes computer software.

So typically a Techical Director oversees the game's creation and delivery, offically making Adam Fowler a director in the game's development. While Dan Houser would be more a producer than a director as he oversees the whole development not just the creative side of the game (taken from the the wikipedia article). TheDeviantPro (talk) 01:00, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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