Bleach series Archives

Here are the archives for Featured Quotes.

September 2016

Winner: Renji: You're The One

July 2016

Winner: Hitsugaya: What We Fight For

April 2016

Winner: Askin: Loyalty Isn't Everything

January 2016

Winner: Nanao: Embrace The Curse

October 2015

Winner: Mayuri's Despair

August 2015

Winner: The Feeling Of Defeat

June 2015

Winner: Evil vs. Evil

April 2015

Winner: Sacrifice

January 2015

Winner: My Name Is Yhwach

November 2014

Winner: Serving Even In Death

September 2014

Winner: Mayuri: My Splendor

July 2014

Winner: Here To Save You

May 2014

Winner: Everyone Has Fear

February 2014

Winner: For His Majesty's Sake

December 2013/January 2014

Winner: Vengeful Beast

November 2013

Winner: Reawakened Power

October 2013

Winner: A Futile Effort

July 2013

Winner: Ichigo: Thank You, Zangetsu

May 2013

Winner: Ryūken: Why?

April 2013

Winner: Masaki: Can't Just Stand By

March 2013

Winner: Unohana: Dying Speech

February 2013

Winner: Unohana: Kill You A Hundred Times

January 2013

Winner: Senjumaru Shutara: The Evil We Face

December 2012

Winner: Shunsui Kyōraku: We Are The Gotei 13

November 2012

Winner: Byakuya: Final Request

October 2012

Winner: Unohana: Swift End

September 2012

Winner: Chōjirō Sasakibe: Right Arm

August 2012

Winner: Äs Nödt: Fear Is An Instinct

July 2012

Winner: Rose: About Izuru

June 2012

Winner: Hidetomo: War

Apr 2012

Winner: Ichigo: Replacement

Feb 2012

Winner: Ichigo: Reclaim Kūgo's Body

Jan 2012

Winner: Rukia: Ichigo Changed Us

Dec 2011

Winner: Byakuya: Battle was an enjoyable one

Nov 2011

Winner: Ikkaku: Worth Dying For

Oct 2011

Winner: Byakuya: The Height of Cowardice

Sept 2011

Winner: Rukia Kuchiki: Ichigo's Despair

August 2011

Winner: Kūgo: Kill Tsukishima

July 2011

Winner: Kūgo Ginjō: Bad Villain Act

June 2011

Winner: Orihime: Subtle

May 2011

Winner: Jackie: You're Mortal

April 2011

Winner: Seizo: Not Giving Up

March 2011

Winner: Gin: Love

February 2011

Winner: Sado: Sad Sight

January 2011

Winner: Ryūken: Doctor's Orders

December 2010

Winner: Ichigo's Family Knowledge

November 2010

Winner: Unohana: No Thanks Needed

October 2010

Winner: Gin: Ichigo's Eyes

September 2010

Winner: Aizen: Fear

August 2010

Winner: Tensa Zangetsu: Stopped Walking Forward

July 2010

Winner: Isshin Kurosaki: Cry

June 2010

Winner: Gin Ichimaru: Never Seen That

May 2010

Winner: Ichigo Kurosaki: Tell Me When You're Ready

April 2010

Winner: Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto: Amateur

March 2010

Winner: Sode no Shirayuki: Realization

February 2010

Winner: Suì-Fēng: Meaning Of Battle

January 2010

Winner: Sajin Komamura: Friendship

December 2009

Winner: Sōsuke Aizen: Gods

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Genre and categorization

This is seriously missing more of those subjects. I can take of this part, I've done the same for other popular series like Dragon Ball and YuYu Hakusho, surely I've seen enough Bleach to know this much. Can I sort these stylistics now? Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 01:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

No, no, 9001 times no. The number of genres is supposed to be limited to as few accurate ones as possible. We don't need 20-odd ancillary terms in the genre field that do nothing but confuse the readers as to what the primary focus is. Especially not the uber-generic ones like "drama", those are only supposed to be used for cases where it doesn't fit into anything else.

Besides, if you want to discuss the range of elements incorporated in a series, wouldn't it be far more sensible to actually put it in the text of the page, rather than just crammed into an infobox? --tjstrftalk 04:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah? How come I don't see anything for that? And why is it that the word "comedy" isn't nowhere on the article? This is from the Dragon Ball article: "Genre Action, Adventure, Comedy, Fantasy, Science fiction"; this is from the Naruto article: "Genre Action, Comedy, Drama, Fantasy"; oh, and this is from Cowboy Bebop, which doesn't even revolve around comedy: "Genre Adventure, Drama, Comedy, Science Fiction, Space western". I don't see how ONE or TWO more genres hurts anybody or "crams the infobox", when there's other articles there with equally "crammed infoboxes", and I don't see anybody complaining. I could cite other examples, if necessary.--SyL64 16:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

See this and the genre guideline. I was not aware of these rules 'til much later. DB and YYH have been cleaned-up, stylistic-wise. Naruto probably needs to be fixed too, haven't had the chance to look at that one yet. Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 17:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Urahara

Urahara isn't a "main character". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.55.80.195 (talk) 01:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

He appears in all of the story arcs and is a major actor/agent in most of them.217.43.27.170 22:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

He appears in every arc, is a major plot builder, is the guy who orders Ichigo and everyone around, and is a major ally. He is the only character given a special exception from the main character qualifications because he is the main plot builder of the story. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Disclusion of Several Things

I noticed that several things have been discluded/forgotten from the bleach page. First of which would be "Valley of Screams". Introduced by the Bleach Movie: Memories of Nobody is a new dimension known as the "Valley of Screams". Personally by my opinion(Even listed in the Bleach Movie page), I think this should be listed as one of the worlds of bleach such as Soul Society or Hueco Mundo. It's not like we can take the stance of "lol no it's filler crap" becuase the Bount ARE listed as a Character Type just like Shinigami or Hollows. Though I notice that neither Vizard nor Arrancar are listed as character types. And that Aizen Sousuke is not listed as a Main Character. Why exactly is this? Aizen Sousuke is the main antagonist of the series since...about a year or even two years ago since the Soul Society arc. And since we're including Urahara as a Main Character due to being a Plot Helper, why not the antagonist of the series? Even assuming we're going on the stance of "not in the dubbed anime yet" then...Why are the Bount listed as a Character Type? They haven't made an appearence yet. So exactly what's going on with this page? I thought of editing this all in myself, but...No point if it's just going to be reversed. So in conclusion, I want feedback: 1. Should Valley of Screams from the Bleach Movie be counted as one of the worlds in Bleach? 2. Shouldn't Aizen Sousuke be counted as a Main Character? 3. Shouldn't the Arrancar/Vizard have SOME kind of mention in the character types page? 4. Does anyone read these huge paragraphs I type or simply nod and go "Uh huh"? That's all, why bye! 67.11.46.168 06:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)HeartCard67.11.46.168 06:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

To answer your questions, I'll have to give some introduction. The Bleach (manga) page is GA because of the work all the editors done. We do not usually change something unless it contributes to the overall understanding of the series.

1. Valley of the Screams is only a one shot thing which gets destroyed. Its in the movie, so its not located here, and it doesn't make an appearance in the manga or anime. Usually movies happen in a parellel universe, but the anime character continues on, not knowing anything about what happens in movies. No, its not filler crap, its just in a movie one shot thing so nothing worth mentioning here and getting people confused, like asking,"When did the anime ever show the Valley of the Screams?"
2. Bounts are filler, but yes, they take up 2 arcs of the show, and they aren't mentioned anywhere else.
3. People don't know Aizen is the antagonist yet, so no point putting him there. He also doesn't fulfill the criteria to be a main character, despite being the antagonist.
4. Urahara fulfills the criterea.
5. No we aren't going by dub anime.
6. Arrancar gets mentioned in Hollows.
7. Vizards are mentioned in the shinigami sections.

Criteria:

• Consistently important from time of introduction until present. (Aizen fails this one, Urahara passes)
• Have been on the core character team ("ryoka" group) for at least one trip or major supporter. (Aizen semi passes this one, he isn't a core character team thing but a major supporter thing)
• Strong connection to Ichigo. (Aizen fails this one, Urahara trained Ichigo bla bla bla so he passes)
• For the males at least, have seen quite a bit of combat. (Aizen semi-fails this one, as he isn't seen fighting alot, more talking done; Urahara passes as he shows his shikai and knowledge of things)

Of course, you would know this if you went and edited it, seeing as there is a hidden message there.--Hanaichi 06:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree on the Valley of Screams being a One Shot wonder thus it's disclusion. Point to you there. But I think you contradict yourself. "People don't know Aizen is the antagonist yet," and then "No we aren't going by the dub anime"? The Japanese Dubbed Anime is already to Orihime going to Hueco Mundo. The only way someone could miss Aizen being the antagonist at this point(Aside from the obvious "lol retard") is that they're going by the English Dub anime*Which to my knowledge does indeed not have Aizen revealed as of yet and has him assumed dead if I'm up to date*. So we've established that (Based on the Bount, Vizard, Arrancar, etc being mentioned) we are indeed going of the Japanese Dubbed version, yet we're leaving out the antagonist? As far as the Criteria goes: (Reframe from reading if you're an English Dub-only kind of person) 1.Importance since Appearence: Talks to Gin and acts as if he's going to stop what Gin is planning. Is then found dead. Is then reveal to have slaughter Room 46. Then steals the hougyoku from Rukia's body. And at this point is declared "Big Bad" as he goes to Hueco Mundo. Has no relation with the Bounto Arc, but come on is it really fair to count this against him? Hence forth, he commands the Arrancar and currently holds Orihime in his hands as well in that classic "princess to be saved" type of fashion. Aside from the Bount Arc, Aizen is important since introduction and even somewhat before(Only revealed after introduction though). 2. Been on Core Character Team: True, he undoubtable failed this one in it's entirety. I wouldn't even call him a "Supporter" really. I'll let you explain how he could be if you see fit. 3. Strong Connection to Ichigo: Well Urahara's "Training" for Ichigo was basically just tons of fighting. Aizen did infact fight Ichigo before going to Hueco Mundo(if only a moment). Aizen did take an interest with Ichigo, later sending Uluquirra and Yammy to kill him if he's a threat. There's atleast SOME connection there. 4. Males require much Fightning: While Aizen virtually PWNTS everyone he fights instantly, he's actually had about as many fights thus far as Urahara. Urahara: Ichigo. Yammy/Uluquirra. Yammy(Most recent). Aizen: Hitsugaya. Foxfaced Captain(His name escapes me T_T). Ichigo. Hmmm THREE fights each? How interesting. But as you said, Urahara has shown his Shikai. Okay good but...So has Aizen. Aizen first used his shikai to fake his death, then beat Hitsugaya, then Ichigo. But Urahara had other techs to fight with besides his shikai? So did Aizen. Aizen beat Foxfaced Captain with a Kidou Spell.

They both supply and build plots. Urahara: "Go Heroes! I have taught you much now go Rescue them!" Aizen: "Pinky...Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" Gin: "I think so, Brain. If my Shikai makes my sword grow, my bankai should make me be able to play basketball." See my point? While Urahara is the important "Teacher" figure. Aizen is the important "Bad Guy" figure. (Each sold seperately). Honestly I think Aizen and Urahara have the same level of importance.

EDIT: Aizen gets another Fight to his list: Flashback(Renji, Hinamori, and Kira saved from hollow by Aizen/Gin). That and I forgot to sign this post. :P 67.11.46.168 12:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)HeartCard67.11.46.168 12:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow, you should really have an account if you keep coming back here. You do list very good points, but strong connection to Ichigo is ummm...hmmm how do I put it? Aizen doesn't really know about Ichigo other than his bankai, orange hair and he being a ryoka. Yup, Aizen did send Ulqouirra to investigate. Still. Yes, we are not going by dub anime (or else half of the articles would be VERY short) but we are waiting for Aizen to reveal himself so that we can remove his ugly spoiler tag. We left out Aizen mainly because he is the antagonist for the Soul Society + Hueco Mundo + Arrancar arc, and I think that most of the characters listed in the front page (Urahara and Renji) appeared in the early story arc with ALOT of attention towards them, while Aizen didn't.--Hanaichi 13:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I signed up after the last post. I also made mention on the "Yoruichi=Main character" topic near the top of the page. So okay, Aizen fails the Strong Connection to Ichigo, true. But he kinda passes all three of the other criteria. That and I think I see what you were getting at with him being a "Supporter" to the Ryoka group. Being that he did somewhat manipulate things to their favor in some way. Except for the whole "Rukia must diezorz!!!1one!" bit. So maybe we should bring in other people to this discussion and just have a general poll on it? But if you ask me, to not include the CREATOR of the arrancar(despite their listing) as a main character seems somewhat redundant and outright silly. That's all I've really got to say for now. Why Bye! .--HeartCard—Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 07:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Hold on, Aizen passes strong connection to Ichigo. It was he he put up Rukia for execution, which affect Ichigo. It was he who tried to kill Rukia, which affects Ichigo. It was he who has Orihime kidnapped, which affects Ichigo. It was he who told the Espada not to get off their butts to kill the intruders, which affects Ichigo. It is he who is the ultimate main villain Ichigo must face, which will and is affecting Ichigo.

Now for the ryoka group one, he fails. If he were to suddenly go to the Soul Society or Human World, however, he would pass, as he would become a ryoka to that world as he cannot enter those legally anymore. Techniqually he's a ryoka to the Hueco Mundo, as only hollows can't really be considered natives, and he didn't enter it with Soul Society permission. Basically, he passes for the most part. The only doubt for putting him there is spoiler. That's not a reason. If you ask me, if we decide things by spoiler, then don't give articles to the arrancar so people won't know about them yet. Either way, the manga has gone past his betrayal with Shonen Jump releasing six chapters of Bleach (Grand Fisher already died, you know), and the majority of those who read the Wikipedia Bleach article have found out (or will find out) Aizen is a villain, the arrancar exist, Shinji is a vizard, and Isshin is a shinigami, so spoiler isn't really a reason anymore. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 22:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The idea is that the article is discussing the setting and other background elements of the story without revealing the plot. This has generally been justified on the grounds that the series isn't over yet, so we don't know how the plot will turn out (I've always thought that this is a mistake, and I've advocated adding a plot summary based on the one from the Japanese Wikipedia - our arc articles would work just as well). At the same time, I advocated keeping Aizen out when he was only involved to the extent of a plot twist. I think the situation has changed. He has become much more central to the plot of the story since the Soul Society-based plotlines ended. I think we should consider adding him to the list of main characters. Dekimasuよ! 03:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

So we're in agreeance? I mean I agree about keeping him out when it was still into the Bounto Arc. But the moment Aizen sent Yammy and Urruiqula out, that should have been the moment it became very clear he was the main bad guy in my opinion. So let's have a vote on if we should or should not do it. So far we have three votes, HeartCard, Artist Formerly Known As Whocares, and Dekimasu. Given that both of you made the statement he should be added, I'll assume you agree. Please sign your name under here if you agree with us and believe Aizen should be added as a Main Character. Or we could just skip this, edit the page, and hope no one reverts it back. >_> —Preceding unsigned comment added by HeartCard (talk • contribs) 19:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd go for adding Aizen in as a main character. However, I think we should hold off until the twist is revealed in the dub. However, that might take a while since Bleach is going on hiatus in America this weekend in order to dub more episodes. Dunno when it'll be back. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 20:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with GhostStalker, put Aizen when the english dub reveals him (episode 60 was it?). Even though the manga chapters came out already, I say, watching tv is easier then buying the book.--Hanaichi 11:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

1stly: I'd like to say I think the hiatus is done. I heard Ichirin no Hana(3rd season opening) on the TV a day ago, turned up episode 51 of bleach was showing. 2ndly: I'd like to say that: LOL FORK TEH DUBZORZ. Thank you, that is all. 3rdly: As someone pointed out above: Anyone on wiki pretty much knows about Aizen already, not to mention they're already going to spoil the bount/arrancar/vizards for themselves, why not the main bad guy too? Doesn't it say HOW the arrancar are made listing Aizen Sousuke by name in it? Isn't that a clue itself that he is lolbadguy #1, for anyone who hasn't seen the show that far?

Personally I'm thinking "Do not tomarrow what can be done Today". >:D HeartCard 10:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright you guys. It is freakin December... The english release of the manga is up to 21 with 22 due in Feb. Add Aizen as a main character already. I don't care for the english translation of the anime, I prefer the manga over the anime any day. Aizen is one of my favorite characters and I was disapointed to see tat he wasn't listed as a main character. Jeez people, stop arguing about it and just do it. You can say all day "we don't want to reveal to peoplethings that they might not have seen yet..." If so then why show the: Arrancar, Bounts, Hueco Mundo, etc... I don't watch the anime, english or japanese, and those articles where revealing to me things that haven't yet been realesed in the english manga. You can't make everyone happy, but it seems that the majority of people on here want to see Aizen as a main character. ~Anonymous 5:14 AM, 8 December 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.182.224 (talk) 10:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: I'm reposting this here since the title of this part is "of SEVERAL things" and...no one is looking at it way at the top of the page. X_X : "Actually I wanna reopen this one for discussion. Becuase I got a few things to say about Yoruichi VS Criteria: 1.Important since Appearence: She is indeed not very important after her intro. Nothing centers around her. But she is the main guide around the Soul Society Arc for the core team. 2. Been on Core Character Team: Pass, very distinct pass. Not sure anyone would argue this anyways. 3. Strong Connection to Ichigo: To be honest she has about as much connection as Urahara. Urahara trained Ichigo and brought out his Shikai/Shinigami Powers back. Yoruichi trained Ichigo and brought out his bankai. She also saved his life when he was going to fight Byakuya for the secound time. So roughly about the same connection as Urahara. 4. For the males, Must have alot of Combat: You said Yoruichi fails this one but...SHE IS NOT MALE. The rule says "For the" what's that word? Oh yeah "MALES". Not Female. We can't really count this rule against here, it states in itself it doesn't applie to her. But even if it does count against her, yeah you can count all her fights on one hand but...You can do roughly the same with Uryu or Chad. Ishida: VS Hollows(Ichigo VS Uryu competition), VS Shinigami(Using the mass amounts of ranged weaponary), VS A Captain(Mayuri), VS Tousen(Stretching for this one), VS Bount Fangirl, VS Ryuuken Ishida. Hmmm SIX fights? Thats...one hand. Chad: VS Canary's Hollow(With Rukia), VS Random Hollow(With Karin), VS Random tons of Shinigami, VS a Captain(Ukitake)...Oh wow, four battles if you will. Though Yes, I'm going by times not number of people. Otherwise the mass of Shinigami would put him over 100 easy. Same with Uryu and hollows. But Most of those fights are off screen. Now for Yoruichi's fights(Listed in order of anime appearence): VS Byakuya(More of a Fight-Break up, but whatever), VS Soi-Fon, VS Hollow(Soi-Fon's memories), Vs Yammy/Uluquirra. So four fights. Not really too bad even though this rule shouldn't applie to her. Lemme know what ya think. Why bye! 67.11.46.168 12:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)HeartCard67.11.46.168 12:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)" HeartCard 10:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The manga has revealed the twist (Shonen Jump did, too) a while ago, and the episode is a few weeks away. As I pointed out earlier, just about everyone who visits the Bleach Wikipedia pages know Aizen's the main villain, and those who are knew will find out. As such, "spoiler = no" just doesn't cut it anymore as a justifiable reason. Back when Aizen was first found dead, yeah, that was a good reason, but now we're at most 2 months away from the spoiler, so it's not good enough a reason anymore. It also seems the majority of the users support a yes, though when isn't clear. So instead, let's have a seperate poll and decide if we should do it now or two months from now. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 06:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Combat

on combat have articles about Zanpakutou and kidou, but the 4 ways of fight are Zanjutsu, Hakuda, Hohou and Kidou. Bleach chapter 175, page 09.--200.140.71.91 14:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

That's because only two of the four are complicated enough to need an article. ~SnapperTo 19:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

But, have to change the name of "Zanpakutou" to "Zanjutsu".--200.140.71.91 22:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

That article is about the sword itself. Zanjutsu is the process of using the sword. "Zanpakuto" is the appropriate name. ~SnapperTo 02:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Hiatus on Adult Swim?

The wiki shows that the Bleach anime by Viz Media is on hiatus here in America on Adult Swim, when that is clearly not so. As of today, October 19, 2007, Bleach is shown Monday through Friday nights at 12:30 AM EST. (Which would technically make each of them fall on the day after in EST, but that's besides the point.) Should this be changed? 68.63.219.1 05:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC) ddmdandaman

New episodes of Bleach shown on Saturday nights/Sunday mornings are going on hiatus. The weekday showings are repeats. So technically, I think Bleach would still be considered on hiatus... --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 20:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

My DVR just recorded episode 53 this week of Bleach. Are you SURE it's on hiatus? I remember the hiatus stopping at the end of season 2, the new episodes would have the new opening: Ichirin no Hana, which 51 and 52 both have. So are you SURE it's still on hiatus? HeartCard 05:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)HeartCard

Pretty sure... Death Note replaced it last Saturday, at least in the US. I didn't actually see the episode, but response from people who did make it pretty clear that Bleach is on hiatus. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 17:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, this guy has something off. 52 debuted Ichirin no Hana, not 51. 53 hasn't aired and was replaced by Death Note 1 this past weekend. --User:Guess Who, not signed in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.154.197.145 (talk) 12:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I know why it's on hiatus. The FCC are idiots who believe that any mention of a swastika is representative of the Nazi party, and so they have to find some way to edit Ichigo's bankai. WTF??? Sasuke9031 (talk) 08:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Shinigami Cup

Should there be mention of the Shinigami Cup at the end of episodes 54 onwards? Jigen III 00:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

By Shinigami Cup, do you mean the omake? --Eruhildo 18:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

yea Jigen III (talk) 10:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Considering the nature of omake, I would say probably not. --Eruhildo (talk) 19:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Byakuya

Just to point this out, but Byakuya now passes all four qualifications for being a main character. There's no question he's close to Ichigo. He is currently part of the current ryoka group. He's had six battles and is about to have a seventh, way over that of most other fighting characters. He's had an appearance in every one of the story arcs. Yes, he didn't really do anything during the arrancar arc, but the last time I checked Uryu and Chad didn't do very much either. Byakuya currently passes all qualifications. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted it for now. As much can be said for Toshiro. Lets discuss this without editing for awhile shall we? I think we are clogging up the protangonist section anyway. Although a significant amount of backstory has revealed stuff about Byakuya, the same can be said for Toshiro. Yes, both are quite close, I say the latter more so then the former as Toshiro has worked with Ichigo more then Byakuya. --Hanaichi 01:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

When did we assign these arbitrary qualifications for a "main character"? That section would be better off discussing the characters in general rather than simply the "main characters" per se. The race list could also be combined into that, allowing for better flow and a less in-universe method of presentation. It would also solve the problem of having to decide who is and isn't a main character. See Excel Saga#Characters and plot for an example. Sephiroth BCR^(Converse) 05:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the criteria are too arbitrary to be called objective. We can go back to objective criteria somehow - voice actors who are top-billed in the credits, or characters listed as main on offical websites, things we've looked into in the past. At the very least, the criteria have caused the persistent edit wars over inclusion in the article to be replaced by persistent discussion on the talk page, which is probably a slight improvement. Dekimasuよ! 00:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to copy the format of Excel Saga in the manner in which characters are displayed for the simple fact that there are such a large amount of them. Making such a list difficult to negoiate. I think that Dekimasu's proposal would work best for now. Showers (talk) 08:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

This will sound stupid

Like I said, but whats the name of the division captain who has the big thing over his head? I can't for the life of me his name. I must sound fairly retarded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorpio777 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

See List of Bleach shinigami#8th Division, and next time please ask such questions on a forum. The purpose of the talk page is to discuss improving the Bleach (manga) article. --Eruhildo (talk) 23:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Uh, well I think you're talking about either Mayuri Kurosatchi (Sp?) , or Komamura (Don't know his last name). Mayuri has some Black and white painted face, and Komamura (Most of the time) Has a big bucket looking thing over his head. If you're not too far in the anime, I won't spoil anything as to why. --Shinigami Soi Fon (talk) 23:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Reception..

According to WP:ANIME, there should be a reception paragraph, but it's kinda been combined with Media Information (the best dvd award, best manga etc), can anyone else find out some other info to make a paragraph on Reception?

RedEyesMetal (talk) 21:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

13 captains

how about insert all the 13 division captains?

since some captain can't be the major character while they quite important to the story.

thx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Recca rebellion (talk • contribs) 07:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

No point? None of the captains are main characters by the way.--Hanaichi 11:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Mergers

Per an AfD awhile back, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are supposed to be merged into the settings section of this article. Anyone want to take on the task? AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay STOP!

STOP! See what has happened when one merges without thinking based on the AFD? Giving the main article, the workgroups only GA class article, many many images about the different settings has earned it the too many copyright image tag. With this, the article will probably flop the GA standard and revert back to B-class. This is why I exactly said merge to the List of Bleach locations! We have unnecessarily cluttered this page.--Hanaichi 02:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

While I can understand your frustration, the project has had almost a month to do the merge themselves, but no one bothered. Someone finally was bold and did something. The project can still do a List of Bleach locations, if that is desired. Perhaps the merge will not prompt the project to actually do the work rather than quietly ignoring the prods to get it done. In either case, one should consider whether pictures of the locations are even necessary, either here or in a List. Does their inclusion satisfy the requirements at WP:NONFREE and add significantly to the discussion (while keeping in mind that most anime and television articles do NOT have such images)? AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I was bold and removed two images as well as the tag. I think the pics of Soul Society and of Hueco Mundo are important enough for this article to justify keeping them. I don't think a List of Bleach locations article would really be necessary, but I haven't been keeping up with the discussions lately. The image Gates of hell bleach.png will probably be deleted soon as it is no longer linked to by any article. Does this help any? --Eruhildo (talk) 03:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't bother me. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, we just sort of sat on our hands for those two. The article can still be made, just drag the info from the redirects. Not sure how necessary it is, but then again, I'm not very concerned with necessity so long as something happens. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What's with Bleach?

Can anyone out there give even the slightest reason why they decided to call this thing Bleach? Or is it just one of those things where someone in Japan decided that a random English word sounded really cool?

I believe I read somewhere that bleach represented the bleached out versions of some of the main characters. "Hollow ichigo is white, or a bleached out version of ichigo"

Keigo once said that Ichigo bleached his hair everyday (likely just a rumor) in an omake in volume 12 or 13 (forgot which). This could be the source. Or mabye that word had a meaning in Kubo's original plan for the series, but later changed it. Bleach could also be nothing at all. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 23:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I always took Bleach to refer to the purification of Hollows - like bleach purifies stains, or something like that. Meh, it's just what I think anyway. I don't think Kubo has really said why, so it's just up to speculation right now. --Eruhildo 00:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I heard rumors that Bleach is japanese translation for the word "Death" but, I'm not positive. Shinigami Soi Fon (talk) 01:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

You have the Japanese word for death right in your own username. Jibbley (talk) 08:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

-Ha, I'm a pretty gullible idiot. I had no idea what it meant, I just heard it on the show. Anyways, I was part of a discussion on a different website about this, and alot of people said Tite Kubo was intrested in the band Nirvana, and they said he named it after one of their albums... I really hope that's not why. That would just be a big let down for me. Aha, found the link...if you sort through the pages a bit, you'll see more people agree. http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/anime-manga-comics/the-origin-of-the-title-bleach/t.35155655_16/—Preceding unsigned comment added by Shinigami Soi Fon (talk • contribs) 23:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Apparently it has something to do with Ichigo's hair color being the usual result when a Japanese male bleaches his hair. Thus why Ichigo got crap for his hair color and the source of the name. Or something. --Cronodude360 (talk) 01:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

We've discussed this a couple times before. Most of the prominent instances of black/white symbolism have reversed meaning. The protagonist Ichigo is shown as dark, while his enemies (hollows, Captains, Arrancar) are notably white. Considering this "To Bleach" may be construed as a descent into darkness; as we are seeing Ichigo undergo. None of this is WP:V, however, so discussing it here is pointless. –Gunslinger47 02:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Good summary. Dekimasuよ! 04:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I remember reading in an issue of the American Shonen Jump that it might come from the title of Nirvana's album, Bleach, since Tite Kubo is a big fan (and a fan of American music in general). I don't remember which issue, however, but I think it might have been part of a two part Tite Kubo interview.

Chibi Gohan (talk) 10:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

yeah what the hell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.140.35 (talk) 19:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, right, well, until someone gets believable, solid evidence from Kubo Tite or the publisher, I suggest we leave this alone. Speculations aren't for articles, we're here to provide solid fact. IceUnshattered (talk) 00:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

life span soul society

what is the life span of someone in the soul society, i have herd them say that life in the soul society is immortal but the there are some in the soul society who look really old —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.164.243 (talk) 05:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Kubo has ever said, but it is many times a human's life span. --Eruhildo 04:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe a soul in Soul Society lives for two millenia or so. Possibley only one millenia. Becuase (This is all just off my memory): Captain Yamagato is roughly almost a thousand years old, and he looks very old indeed. While Rukia is over a hundred years old(I remember hearing a number close to 137 somewhere), and looks about 15. So I'd say about 10 times that of a normal human lifespan. Rukia looks 15, but is probabley 150. So Yamagato looks about 90, and probabley is about 900. Assumabley in that case, the average life span would be(Excluding in-battle deaths) is probabley between 400 and 900 if it's anything like current-day. HeartCard (talk) 01:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)HeartCard

Speculation. Rukia did say she was 10 times as old as Ichigo was though, and seeing as Yamamoto founded the Academy 2000years previous to the Bleach storyline, the lifespan is all mixed up. Until Kubo says "Rukia is 150, Yamamoto is 2000, blablabla" then we can't put anything.--Hanaichi 04:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey um like.... what happens when you die in soul society?

When you die in the soul society you are rencarnated on earth with no memories of your past life.Example(Ichigo looks just like Kaien Shiba and he died before the story line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.216.216.235 (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Kaien Shiba and Ichigo have nothing to do with each other, other than they have similar personalities and were both close friends of Rukia. --Eruhildo (talk) 21:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Somehwere--maybe ep. 161, Kaien said that when a shinigami dies their bodies become spiritual particles in Soul Society. IceUnshattered (talk) 00:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

But at the same time, in the Bleach movie, the shinigami/memory rosary Senna died, and she was sort of reincarnated on Earth at the end, or at least that is hinted on. But as the Memory Rosary, not really a true shinigami, I don't think that counts... IceUnshattered (talk) 14:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Also when you die do you like the way you died in Soul society? Because then people who died very young in the human World would live longer than those not. Moom.wolff (talk) 00:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)moom.wolff

Please take this discussion to a forum as most of this is just speculation and won't help improve the article. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No Description of Bankai

I saw no reference to Bankai on the main page, despite having referances to powers in the storyline after Bankai is introduced. Considering it's importance, and seeming prequisitie for Vizards (could be wrong here, but I doubt it), it seems a major error not to have it even mentioned, let alone linked to. I do realize it is linked to under Zanpakutō, but considering a Wikipedia search of Bankai goes to the section, it should be somewhere on the page as a link. Jinnai (talk) 07:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Ichigo was a vizard as of his training with Urahara, long before he attained bankai. For that matter, Ichigo is the only vizard so far to even confirm that he has a bankai on stage. Where did you get the idea that it was a prerequisite from? --03:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

My point was not that it was a prerequisite to becoming a Vizard, though in trooth without any other example other than Ichigo, the question should be "what proof is it that Bankai isn't a prerequisite?" You take only the evidence given to you and so far only Ichigo has shown how he obtained his powers and not much of the backgrounds of the Vizards has been revealed. Therefore, without any contradictory evidence, a prerequisite of Bankai should be assumed.Jinnai (talk) 21:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

So basically you stance on the matter is "right until proven wrong." So far there is no evidence to support your idea or disprove it and really until there is, there's no point bothering with the idea. No information is better than false information. Ditch88 (talk) 17:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Not if no information leads to false assumptions, which in this case it is liable to do. Jinnai (talk) 06:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Bleach Wikia Needs Aid

Or more realistically, a active mod. I an creator of the Bleach Wikia, but initial domain over a slightly more rowdy Naruto Wikia got in the way of my duties there. So I need someone to act as the super mod there.

The reason I bring this up here is because the Bleach Wikia could be the best place to move Non-Wiki Worthy info to in the case of Deletion/Mergers. Will ease the problem or debates over character information and the like.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you'll have better luck finding someone who's already on the Bleach Wikia. I'd love to do something like that, but I don't even have enough time for Wikipedia these days. From what I've seen, a lot of the people Wikipedia who'd make good mods are already pretty busy. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting, I personally am a huge romance fan, I think some things should be cleared up, for one, there is alot of Bleach related yaoi, (mainly Rinji and Suishi Hisagi) another thing, many anime articals have things in the discusion colum about romance for example Edward Elric and Winry Rockbell, Sango and Miroku, etc. one needs to be stared for couples like Momo and Toushiro, Rukia and Ichigo, etc., it's bad enough that Tite Kubo dosen't put enough romance in there, but can't there be a disscusion? Espically because half the Bleach world likes IchigoxRukia, MomoxToushiro, OrahimexUuryu, and YouraweichiexUrahara, but the other half is IchigoxOrahime and RukiaxRinji, it could make a really hot topic espically considering how hot the "Soifon and Youraweichie are not lesbions" topic is! It's my opoinion that there should be a colum on the romance stuff! -CaptinAsagi —Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptinAsagi (talk • contribs) 18:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Take it to the Bleach wikia. Wikipedia is not the place for fan innuendo/fantasies.AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Amen and well said. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I completely forgot about this thing. I was thinking of using the people already at the Bleach Wikia. The main problem is that there is a almost completely unorganized style of editing there, and I much prefer the established Wikipedia style. So the mind frame was "Get someone who doesn't like Wikipedia's handle over anime and stuff and give him a job at the Bleach wikia.". CaptainAsagi....ok here is my question: What exactly did this have to do with this topic exactly? Or was it just something you just had to reveal to the world?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 02:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Order of the names

Just wondering shouldn't be Kurosaki Ichigo. I know this is the ENGLISH wikipedia but when when adding suffixes on to the names the order matters. So if we were to say that Orihime refers to Ichigo as Ichigo-san then titling the article as Ichigo Kurosaki would screw it up. It's not neccesary but I'm still wondering. Moom.wolff (talk) 18:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC) moom.wolff

No, people that haven't seen the English version of Bleach and don't no about Japenesse respect would get confused, in the English version Orahime just calls him Ichigo, it's espically true for names like Uuryu Ishida, in fact, a charecter in Bleach ounce got confused on weather or not it was Ishida Uuryu or Uuryu Ishida, a simaler problum could occur -CaptinAsagi —Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptinAsagi (talk • contribs) 18:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Genre and categorization, Pt. II

The discussion about the categories here didn't really finish so I was wondering if we can settle it for good now. I am considering a third and final genre placed on this article; WP:MOS-AM#Content hints there can be up to three so, because of the magical elements and fictional races in Bleach, which fits this series more: fantasy or magical boy or something else? Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 07:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I've decided on fantasy because the magical boy page is unsourced, and it's probably not even a genre. The edits will look like this:

Any objections? Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 18:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds about right to me. AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Changed the date

Adult Swim advertises March 1, 2008 for the return of Bleach and it does fir because Saturday is the Anime Night for Adult Swim.

March 2, 2008 was Frisky Dingo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rouge2 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I've undone it. Adult Swim is well known for its tendency to call Saturday Friday and so on. The show comes on at 1 am. That is March 2nd, not March 1st, regardless of Adult Swim's inability to tell dates accurately. They can't change the calendar. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Namesake? Change it, for heaven's sake!

Under "characters" Ichigo is described as becoming his "namesake." I believe that this is an improper use of the term "namesake," which denotes an individual for/after whom one is named or with whom one shares a name.

A better phrasing might be "As the story progresses, Ichigo increasingly lives up to his name, which translates to 'one who protects'."

130.245.220.154 (talk) 03:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)NJ

Agreed...reworded. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Be bold! --Eruhildo (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Popularity pools

I have tried to start some systematic compilation of pool info here. Luis Dantas (talk) 17:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Sine you keep spelling it wrong here's a correction for you: it's spelled "poll", not "pool". ~SnapperTo 19:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Gee, thanks and sorry! :) 201.14.125.169 (talk) 20:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Lol, Snapper, you misspelled "since". Maybe you should check your own spelling before complaining about others'. --Eruhildo (talk) 22:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Death of a Shinigami

I'm at a loss to understand what the heck death means to a Shinigami. Where are they going to go, Detroit? -- AvatarMN (talk) 01:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Since you asked, yes, they very well might end up in Detroit. Shinigami reincarnate when killed" i.e. reborn on Earth. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Detroit? They probably only get reincarnated into Japan or Asia due to the fact that Soul Society is an entirely Japanese based society. Please don't bring this up again. Moom.wolff (talk) 17:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)moom.wolff

You seem to have a pretty sharp tongue, moom.wolff. In any case, where Shingami get reincarnated into in the physical world is a rather pointless discussion, as well as original research, since Tite Kubo (AFAIK) hasn't ever written about it. —Dinoguy1000 16:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Movie

While the media section needs some serious overhauling (no idea why its all in some hideously formatted list elsewhere), someone may want to note that Viz has acquired the license for the "Memories of Nobody" movie: http://www.animeondvd.com/news/pr.php?pr_view=1316 and will give it a limited theatrical release. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Main Characters.

I believe Hitsugaya Toshiro should be considered a main character since he exceeds the criteria and is currently active in the recent chapter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moom.wolff (talk • contribs) 17:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe because you are a Hitsugaya fan? I think the list is fine by the way it is, Hitsugaya is a major supporting character but certainly not one main character. He could be compared to, for instance, the Outer Senshi in Sailor Moon. --Hanaichi 09:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

While I agree with you, the last OVA really did feature him as kind of a main character, but really the list is fine as it is.--DeviantCharles (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Issue with brief description of Urahara

I feel like that the immense knowledge Urahara has of the spiritual world is just as important as the impact he has already had on the world as we see in the anime/manga. I understand it's a summary, but I feel that as he created one of the most important plot devices in the story thus far, it should probably be mentioned. What do you guys think? --DeviantCharles (talk) 18:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Meh. The Hogyoku's just a slightly more concrete MacGuffin, and sidetracking the article to explain what it is would disrupt reading. Saying he's an inventor in general might be good, but specific inventions go on his page, not here. --erachimatalk 05:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The inventor thing is probably a good inclusion, but I was basically thinking of saying something along the lines of how Urahara's past has a major impact on the story. I wasn't necessarily thinking of citing the hogyoku, just that his past actions have a vast influence on what's happening on the story now.--DeviantCharles (talk) 13:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Renji?

Just curious why Renji is listed as a main character when they don't mention him often at all in the beginning and mention other characters much more frequently then him. Just curious why Rukia's brother is not mentioned in the main characters but

Rukia's brother isn't a main character. If you are watching the cartoon network version you'll see why Renji is labeled as a main later on in the series, if you're watching the japanese dub you must not be paying enough attention. Hellz88 (talk) 00:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

We are referring to the whole series in general when we list the main characters. Please do not bring up the fact that you have not seen the new released episodes in Japan. Bring it to the forums. You don't have the right to complain just because you aren't updated. Not everybody watches the "cartoon network version". Some of us otakus prefer to stay with the authentic episodes not crappy voiceovers.Moom.wolff (talk) 17:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)moom.wolff

He isn't a main character from the very beginning, but the latest arcs in the anime and manga have really made him a pretty primary character.--DeviantCharles (talk) 17:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Urahara

While we're at it, is there a really good reason Urahara is listed as a main character? Theories aside up to current manga, he's acted mainly as an adviser more then anything. --Knighthammer (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

That's a good point - I'd definitely call him a supporting character. --Eruhildo (talk) 00:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Agree. --deerstop (talk) 16:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, more minour than the others. He shouldn't even have his own page. Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 16:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Bleach name

I don't understand why this is called Bleach (manga) and not Bleach (series). The anime and the manga are two different entities and should be labeled as so, by having their own articles.--Mynameisnotpj (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Per our MOS, no the anime and manga properties should NOT have their own articles. They do not have significant enough differences to warrant it. It is called manga because that was the initial property, it is consistent with our naming guidelines, and it disambiguates from the more well known chemical. AnmaFinotera (talk) 13:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's where it says that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eruhildo (talk • contribs) 00:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Mynameisnotpj, you may want to brush up on a few old discussions, see this, this, and this. There really is no better page title. Well, I could go for Bleach (franchise). The article does seem to describe every form of media and not just the manga. Any takers? Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 01:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think manga is fine. We focus mostly on the manga and anime, so I think franchise would be misleading as the other stuff doesn't get that much coverage (except maybe a few video games). Its in keeping with the MOS, and the manga is the primary property, so its fine. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

What if you compare it to Dragon Ball (franchise)? Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 02:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but look at how many different series it links to. That page is just a summary of the franchise as a whole. This article is more like a combination of Dragon Ball (manga) and Dragon Ball (anime) (I'm saying this without having only scanned the articles, so I may be a little off). Anyway, I think the current title is the best choice. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm still not sure what is wrong with Bleach (series). Since this article refers to both the anime and the manga, it would make more sense to let the reader know right away that they are looking at a summary of both of the media for Bleach. Naming the article Bleach (manga) implies that there is also an article named Bleach (anime).--Mynameisnotpj (talk) 02:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

That's what I once wondered, until Berserk (manga) came to mind, and left it alone. Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 02:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Just because another article has done something does not mean it is right. It seems like many of the decisions editors make are based on other articles, rather than what would make sense to the reader.--Mynameisnotpj (talk) 03:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Pardon my intrusion but you did a similar thing here. It's normal to compare one subject to the other, regardless of other crap existing. Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 05:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

More because the MoS does not give an option for series, so it defaults to the first work if disambiguation is needed (which most of our articles usually don't). Of those that have needed disambiguation, its never been an issue, but such a topic should be opened to the project as a whole. I've left a note on the project talk page about this discussion to invite wider comments. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that is a good idea. It will be interesting to see how this turns out, since it is probably very rare for an article to ever have a problem like this.--Mynameisnotpj (talk) 03:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

There's no reason to move the article to "Bleach (series)" because the article is primarily about the manga. Another article that has "a problem like this" is X (manga): "X" deals with the manga and its two anime adaptations, but I don't see the need to move it either because it's primarily about the manga. Also, the "(series)" disambiguation is used for franchises articles like Devil May Cry (series) and Boogiepop series. If an article is created for the Bleach franchise (covering manga, anime, videogames, musicals, etc), then that article would be named "Bleach (series)".--Nohansen (talk) 03:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If the manga and anime have significantly (or even decently) different plot lines (as many often do), the MOS-ANIME does not prevent the creation of separate articles for the anime and manga. If there is enough sourceable material to create two different articles which would not significantly duplicate each other, I recommend doing it. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I disagree slightly. To me, MOS-ANIME makes it pretty clear that separate articles should ONLY be created if there are significant differences, not just slight ones. There is nothing that I've seen that would indicate the need for a different article for the Bleach manga and anime series, its just an issue of what to call this one article. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I said "significantly" or "decently", not slightly. I agree that slightly different plots shouldn't be a reason for splitting it off. I think you're interpreting things far too literally, and misunderstanding what I wrote. Please note especially the last sentence in my previous comment. That pretty much sums it up, I believe. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:MOS-AM also provides the option for a split when "the article becomes too large" or there's enough information on the adaptation (see Haruhi Suzumiya TV). As this article is right now, there's no reason for renaming or splitting.

There's a similar concern with the Elfen Lied article here.--Nohansen (talk) 05:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed...if anything, it needs some stuff brought back in, like the badly split out media section. *shaking head* AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Media list

Agreed...if anything, it needs some stuff brought back in, like the badly split out media section. *shaking head* AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. A much better split than media and materials might have been to just have a list of all the character CDs and OSTs and whatnot. --erachimatalk 05:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, properly following the MoS: the main should have a section on the manga linking off to the chapter list, a section on the anime linking to the episode list, a section for the novels, a section for soundtracks, and a section for the artbooks, with everything properly cleaned up of course. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So what useful content from List of Bleach media can be merged here? Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 06:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Honestly? Not much of anything. Its horrible and has a bunch of stuff that doesn't belong at all, like the huge staff list. About the only usable bits are the names of the CDs and a few sentences. :( Sad state really, for such a popular series that should have tons of sourceable info. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If other things are going to be merged into this article, then it should definitely be renamed to Bleach (series).--Mynameisnotpj (talk) 11:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The article is disambiguated using "(manga)" because the manga is the primary topic. All adaptations and derivatives of the manga are a part of that topic, including the anime. "(series)" is used as a disambiguation only when there are separate articles on the anime, manga, novels, movies etc. that would otherwise have the same title. Understand the reasoning now? --erachimatalk 11:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The stuff that needs to be merged here is content that shouldn't have been taken out of the article. It isn't a matter of it needing to be renamed, its the same topic. Its just fixing what was probably an attempt to address the size. AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So nothing will be merged then? Lord Sesshomaru(talk • edits) 19:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)