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This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Proposal: Merge Broly and Coola articles

Villains who are only present in a couple of hours each worth of animation should not have their own articles, based on the apparent current standards for merging. Piccolo Diamao and Kaio-sama both have far more importance, and popularity alone should not constitute deleting articles.

Bring back King Kold's article?

I think King Kold's article is worth bringing back. While his role in the series is minimal, he's important because of who he is, Freeza's father. Any in favor? Malamockq 02:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No. -凶 02:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not asking for a vote, I'm asking for a discussion. Please give rationale behind your choice. Malamockq 02:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

There was a clear explanation for his redirect already and I'm pretty sure you know it, anyways here it is He isn't notable just another filler character period or should I say it in Spanish El tipo solo es una excusa barata para adelantar la trama, I'm getting sick and tired of people trying to bring this useless pages back, for goodness sake people let them die. -凶 03:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

NO For one his role as you said is small and is not important. Just because of who he fathers means nothing. If that was the case Burdock/Bardock would need his article back because of two saiyans he is the father of and who his grandsons are and who his great granddaughter is. Many other character deserve their one article a lot more deserving the King Cold. Heat P 02:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• No - He didn't really do anything important, other than try to bribe Trunks--$UIT 02:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No. There are plenty of other characters who have a bigger, more important role then him and they don't even have their own articles. Also there isn't enough information on him to really have an article anyway, it'll get classified as a stub. There's no reason to bring his page back, and Heat's right, who he's related to is irrelevant to his importance. --Majinvegeta 05:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Geez when I said dig it up on the talk page I didn't think you'd acctually do it. King Cold is not notable, he doesn't even fight and appears in like 2 chapters. DBZROCKS 12:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC) PS:Mega No

NO. Per reasons stated above. Also, King Cold was not a filler character because he appeared in the manga save only for a few panels. ~I'm anonymous

Strong Yes i think that he is an important character, in a way. SSJ 5 23:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

two words: Two Chapters. DBZROCKS 23:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "chapters" there are no chapters in an anime. He said, he's an important character. And I agree. Malamockq 00:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Guess you do not read the manga? (the Japanese black and white drawn comic book novels) Those have chapters with Cold is only in two or so. The only important thing Cold has done was rescue his son from death. That is it so how is he important? Just drop the discussion please. Majority rules here.Heat P 01:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes Wrong Heat P. It's not majority rule, it's a consensus. He's an important character even though his role was short. Important characters are notable. 64.236.245.243 13:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Um Malamockq, I think DBZROCKS meant manga chapters earlier, and yes there are such things as anime chapters. ;) Also, King Cold is not a notable character, just a minor one. ~I'm anonymous

Alright for anyone else still voting on this, Conisider this: All King cold did was talk to freeza about Earth, make some comments about super saiyans dodge and energy blast from trunks, try to bribe him and get killed and It all happened in like 2 chapters. DBZROCKS 21:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry 64.236.245.243, whoever you are but when voting as well as a consensus is like elections, majority does rule or have you not seen any type of voting in your life. And by the way things look, it looks like the NO's have it. King Cold is only important plot character (Not a Filler Character) he was there for a very small time is a small plot to help introduce Trunks. Nothing else. Nothing worthy of his own article. So again drop the discussion over this character with no true background, no history, no moves or technique, no other manga appearance, a fewer even more unimportant anime filler appears. So again let it be, and on the consense let me say mine again for the record. NO!!!Heat P 02:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is NOT a popular vote. It's not a democracy. Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_democracy End of story. 64.236.245.243 17:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

No it is not, however voting here is to reach concencus, which basically means, if 6 people say no and 3 say yes, chances are its not going to happen. Period. DBZROCKS 21:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Reread that page yourself and don't give us a rule page you seemingly have not be read completely yourself. But I will agree with you that is is the end of the story and With 6 to 3 in the consense straw poll, Cold's article will stay as it is. Gone and his profile on the list of aliens page. So unless you can give us a good real reason besides who he is the father of, why he real deserves his page back, and why he is more important the other character like Chi Chi, Burdock, Gotenks only to name a few then it looks like as I said Cold is staying where he is now. Give us a really good reason or this consense will be over really soon. Have a good day.Heat P 01:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Enough all of you. This talk page is not for this discussion. Malamockq 02:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

What discussion? The one you brought up about King Cold? That is what this consense is all about. If you can not take comment from people that is against as well as support which is what IP User 64.236.245.243 is doing for you than do not ask for it. 64.236.245.243 let myself and others know that it is a consense and not a actual voting poll which he has the right to do. And as I see it, everything so far is about supporting or against the King Cold article returning. So tell us what is enough? What is this discussion about? It seems to be about King Cold to me. Basically you ask for it, you got it. Don't try and change it now Heat P 03:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

These talk pages are not for discussing wikipedia policy. I wasn't talking directly to you, but to the IP, DBZROCKS, and you. Stick to the subject, don't get off track. Malamockq 17:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

That's cool but I can only answer for me now. I have been sticking to the subject all the while also answering IP User 64....... when he or she brought up Wiki Policies. But as for this discussion? I am done and I am still against Cold's article being brought back. The rest it now up to you and the others. Heat P 01:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

No As they said, he was only in about 2 chapters in the manga. He didn't do anything important other than saving his son. Ryu-chan

We don't give an article to the father of every single person - real or fictional - just because they're their father. No. - A Link to the Past(talk) 21:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Why are we bringing up a dead topic? TTN 21:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not that old. And every extra vote = extra incentive for anyone trying to recreate the King Cold article to not make it. - A Link to the Past(talk) 22:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree it shouldn't be too late for someone to voice their opinion. While people appear to be voting above, this isn't anything official, or even a proper straw poll. That being said, Cold won't be able to hold an article. Utter lack of OOU info (except possibly a design note) and extremely minimal role. Just because his sons are notable (and Coola's notability is suspect as it is) doesn't mean he is. Sorry, but no - Onikage725 07:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Coola/Cooler

We had a big ol' discussion on what to do with Frieza/Cooler and opted for Freeza/Coola per the consensus awhile back. Someone went and arbitrarily changed it to Cooler, and I cant seem to change it back. Before going further, I just want to ask if anyone has the 5th movie DVD? How exactly is it romanized in the subs? Onikage725 14:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I've been wanting to know myself. I don't own the two Koola uncut DVDs but perhaps someone does? ~I'm anonymous

Yamcha → Yamucha

I figured bringing up this discussion here instead of on Yamcha's talk page. Why is the article titled Yamcha and not Yamucha? His romanized name is pronounced YAM-MU-CHA, not Yamcha; although maybe its named that because of the pun lineage from Yum cha. Far as I can remember, Yamcha is the name utilised in the English manga and most English dubs. The Japanese-audio English-subtitles use Yamucha, I call him Yamucha, and his name is pronounced Yamucha. I think I've proven my point, yep: all those who agree a move from Yamcha to Yamucha say yes. Anyone who disagrees, say no; please state a reason for why you agree/disagree. Thanks! ~I'm anonymous

No I think that Yamucha is a little underused and kind of obsucure besides. PS: has anyone gotten Cooler moved back to Coola yet? DBZROCKS 22:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No one has moved Coola back, only an admin can do that because of the creation of a redirect page, the only way we can do it is a copy-paste move and that would get us in trouble with the sysops. -凶 00:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Luckily we have Deskana for such problems :) DBZROCKS 00:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - Sorry to be rude but can we get back to the proposed move of Yamcha VS. Yamucha? ~I'm anonymous
• Oh Dear God No - In every version I've seen his name is Yamcha. Only in Japan is he called Yamucha. We don't go by Japanese names... Actually we do in some cases.. But still, no--$UIT 02:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • It doesn't seem really urgent, for some reason Yamcha is used broadly not only on the Funimation dub, but also on other versions that use the Japanese names more prominently take for example the Spanish (Spain not Mexico) version, there is also the fact that the pronuncition remains almost intact unlike Coola. -凶 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I don't think Yamcha is necessarily problematic. The "u's" in Furiza and Turunksu are fairly pronounced, but we go with Freeza and Trunks. Onikage725 00:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Never heard of those two Maybe thats why we don't use them, huh? :) DBZROCKS 00:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - I believe Onikage meant that the article's titles are named after their romanji forms, hence, the Japanese-derived names. Also guys: don't leave big spaces after a comment since it really isn't necessary. Just letting you all know. ;} ~I'm anonymous

Comment Cooler has been turned back to Coola thanks to Deskana, Anyone want to help me replace all the dub names there? DBZROCKS 01:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I can do that easily. --Deskana(AFK 47) 01:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Done, here. You may want to check that I didn't change too much. --Deskana(AFK 47) 01:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch! Wow you did that before I could even say anything, you sure are fast Deskana! DBZROCKS 01:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

No need for thanks, that's what I'm here for. --Deskana(AFK 47) 01:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment. I think it's unimportant. Not all correct romanizations of names are used on the articles anyway. A perfect example being that I've seen Goku's name spelled several different ways by Toriyama himself. I've seen: "Goku" "Gokou" (that one's the most common I've seen) "Gokuu" "Gokuh", ect. I don't even know if there's a correct way to spell these names.--MajinVegeta 06:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Support (for real this time) BLECH!!! Forgive my airhead tendancies. I originally had a whole schpiel here about Steve Simmons' subs, Japanese phonics etc. but I wound up shooting my whole argument in the foot because I was under the impression (for whatever reason not the least of which being that my memory is for shit) that Simmons used "Yamcha" in his subs. I just double checked, and he definitely uses Yamucha. My sincerest appologies for flip flopping on this one. Won't EVER happen again (I hope). Anyway, here's the highlights of my original post that reflect my current and final stance; For once I'm gonna have to disagree with my hetero life-mate Onikage725 on this. He compares the use of "Torunkusu" and "Furiza" with Yamucha, and while that's a decent enough argument at first blush, it doesn't hold up to closer scrutiny. Mainly because Furiza and Torunkusu are English (or at least English based) words with their phonetic structure altered to suit Japanese standards of speaking. In those cases, we use the proper English equivalent. So in other words, we spell "Pikoro" as "Piccolo", "Seru" as "Cell" and so on and so forth. DBZ is famously riddled with such names which is one of the primary reasons that it's such a bitch and a half to properly romanize many of them (FUNimation's hack job non-attempts being so widely accepted in the U.S. mainstream further complicates matters). However Yamucha is not one of these types of names. It is a straight Japanese name, with no basis in the English language. Therefore Yamucha is technically the more "correct" way of spelling it. Proper Japanese phonetic structure demands that there be a "u" in there. This next part is gonna be hard as hell to describe in writing without me sounding stuff out in person, but I'll give it my best shot. Attentive listeners of the Japanese version of the series may be confused by the fact that much of the time, characters seem to pronounce the name as "Yamcha". This is because with many words that either include or end in the vowel "u", the way that fluent Japanese speakers pronounce such words, they often times sound through the u very quickly, making it sound as if they are not pronouncing it at all. Yamucha is the example in question here, but other characters like Kuririn are susceptible to this as well (there are many times when it almost definitely sounds like the characters are pronouncing it "Kririn"). However the levels of this vary from speaker to speaker, depending on their accent, dialect, or just speaking style in general. So in the case of Yamucha/Yamcha, characters like Bulma seem to pronounce the name "Yamcha", while others like the series Narrator clearly sound out the full "YamUcha". But the reality is that they're ALL technically pronouncing it Yamucha. Now me personally I'm gonna go on record as saying my official vote goes towards Yamucha, because I personally think that Wiki editors should be more concerned with what's correct than what's "popularly accepted". This is an online ENCYCLOPEDIA afterall, the goal of which is to inform the uninformed, not reinforce what others already think they know.Fuad Ramses 23:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose I suppose if I must take an official stance I'll have to say the opposite and here's why. Yamucha is similar to something like Furiza, just not with English. Its the Chinese (or rather cantonese) phrase for drinking tea- "yum cha." The "u" got linked in there, and I would assume it roughly equivolent to that same accent as in my other examples. Onikage725 16:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, seems like this discussion is over. The worldly popular "Yamcha" stays. ~I'm anonymous

Newsletter?

I was wondering about a weekly newsletter. Some other projects have them so why not us? It would be interesting to have--$UIT 05:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey that sounds good I'd love to help out with that. DBZROCKS 11:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC) PS: May 9th The WikiProject Dragon Ball Newsletter is established. Also today Vegeta had multiple references added and will now be nominated for good article status.

The return of Power Level

Power level's back (the user not the article)! Celebration! DBZROCKS 21:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Majin Buu, Good article?

Hey everybody, I was recentally looking at Majin Buu and noticed how awesome it is now. I think it qualifies for good article status, any thoughts? DBZROCKS 22:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

No way. It has too much in-universe information, and no OOU info. It is full of crufty lists, and not enough prose. Its writing is crappy, so it needs a giant rewrite. It has few citations, which aren't that great. ...and it goes on and on. Nemu 22:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Guess thats a no. Wait a minute I did those Citations!:) DBZROCKS 22:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Hah, I haven't looked at that article since the Wiki-Star days. Onikage725 00:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It didn't really change much since then...--$UIT 02:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

For an article about a fictional character: NO. I don't believe it's "good article status". It's too detailed and needs to be re-written. It needs to focus on the character's fictional info rather then if he was a real person. Toriyama's inspiration/development of the character, appearences, and perhaps media/cultural influence of the character needs to come first, then brief mentions his personal info (bio, personality, physical appearence, abilities, etc). That's how articles on fictional characters are supposed to be written. --MajinVegeta 06:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Bingo, she hit the jackpot. Making references to him as "the character" when talking about him in the article will also help. -凶 07:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good I guess, as for the making of the charecter I think I can grab some pictures from Daizex. DBZROCKS 12:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

In Universe?? Fix it then

Ok I am kind of tired of it when someone whats to put a fixed article in the new Good Article review when many of us work so hard to fix it to have someone comes with a big fat NO because to them the article is not good enough because of the in universe perferences. If you, who continue to say no to them feel this way, why don't you please go on these articles and fix the articles to an out of universe perference so it can look more encylopic. This is not a personal attack on anyone just a message that if you see it is not good enough, fix it then.Heat P 04:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Broly → Broli

Broli's article is the only one that doesn't have it's name used in Daimao's subs. Could we get it moved? Takuthehedgehog 21:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I support the move. ~I'm anonymous

Support -Per conservation of the pun on brocolli. -凶 23:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

That claim is not verfiable and not sufficient reason to change the name. We can only go by official spellings. In this case, the DVD's. Malamockq 02:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

No The official spelling is Broly seen on the covers of the DVD's. Malamockq 02:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Only in Fuimation dubs. -凶 02:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Which is the only official and legal dub allowed in America. Malamockq 02:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's scope is world wide that the reason we have a {{world}} tag, and worldwide Brolli is predominant. -凶 02:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Wiki is indeed world wide, however official products take precidence over non-official or non-licensed products. Malamockq 20:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually in the subtitled version of the Broly movies on Funimation DVD his name is pronouced Broli just to let you know. Also offical American dubbing does not make that name his real name as for instants outside of Dragon Ball, Yugioh with the exception of Yugi and Seto in the dubbed version every ones name is from the original. Godzilla was originally call Gojira but American dubbing changed it. So actually dubbed names can not really be consider the true name unless they keep the real names with completely the same spelled name. Heat P 03:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Suport Broli is more wildly used and keeps the pun better. Also Its the only exsclusive Funimation Dubbed name left. DBZROCKS 21:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• Leaning towards oppose - I've never seen his name spelled as Broli. Just Broly and, in some strange fansites, Brollee--$UIT 06:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

• A definite yes. - Unlike the Yamcha/Yamucha thinger, I'm totally deadset on Broli here. I've seen the name spelled a variety of ways over the years from Broly (even pre-FUNimation), to Broli, even Brawley once. But Broli is both closest to the pun (an absolute MUST when romanizing Dragon Ball names) and as someone above noted, it's what's used in Steve Simmons' DVD subs. Besides, we've already gone through the whole "DVD cover" argument with Coola/Cooler, and Coola won out for the very same reasons I listed just now with Broli. Let's keep the consistency flowing here. Fuad Ramses 19:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment Could we stop making the arguement that Steve Simmons made the diffinitive version of Dragon Ball here? Im only voting for Broli because its the correct way to put it and yet it doesn't make the name sound dumb (like Yamucha). DBZROCKS 21:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Noone said that. However, those of us who fight for accurate romanizations are often countered with "whats officially used." And Simmons' translations are mostly accurate and in official use. In other words, a compromise between both camps. Onikage725

Comment Jeebus, sorry. I just throw that one out a lot because I know that some of the more tenacious "pro-dub name" users tend to use the argument that we should go by FUNimation's names due to them being somehow more "official" than the original version of the series. Well Simmons' subs appear on "official" FUNimation DVDs, thus countering that argument. But you're right, in the end we argue for Japanese names because they're the proper translations. And an encyclopedia of any sort should go by what's accurate, not widely believed. It just so happens (and helps) that Simmons is a damn good translator and uses (most of) the accurate or closest to accurate romanizations that a lot of us here have been pulling for. And Broli is closer to an accurate romanization than Broly. Fuad Ramses 08:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok so is it settled? Should I go and ask Deskana to move it? DBZROCKS 12:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

No it's not settled. I oppose the move. Broly is the official spelling of his name in the funimation DVD's. 64.236.245.243 14:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

So? there is more to the series than Funimation, actually Funimation is just another mediocre dub. -凶 17:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I think we should go ahead and move it. The pro-romanization group wants accuracy to the original intentions and puns and what-not. Opposers have tended to say "this is English wiki." So I'd ask if anyone here has ever had "Brocoly" with their dinner. Broccoli - "cco" = the villain in question (what with the "all Saiyans have names based on vegetables" motif). I'd point out that we aren't using "Frieza," "Cooler," "King Yemma," or referring to Goku's birth name as "Kakarot." Onikage725

That's original research. Malamockq 23:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

How Exactally is that original research? DBZROCKS 17:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok guys listen. Why not one or all of you just go and research the name. Simmons does do good translations but how are we actually to know they are all good translations? There are other resources and ways to find out the original romanization of many names out their. For instants Believe it or not Funimation. The distributor of now many anime ,they completely change, or rearrange character names but they do have access to the translations or can find it for you if you ask. Also e-mail Toei. they can translate you e-mail to read it and send you a reply. See unlike the Viz mangas for DB there is no real way for us alone to find out the proper way to find out by watch the sub version of DB movie DVD. Funimation sometimes go back and forth in sub version on some characters using there romanization names and american names (Kuririn/Krillin is the biggest example) So listen just investagate and research Broli and the others names being discussed on the talk page. Do not forget to give us the sources of the romanized name. Just a comment and suggetion to slow down the arguing on something like this. Remember we are not hardhead or

obsessed like many fan boys we delt with before. You guys can reason this out without dragging this to far. Heat P 02:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I think you meant "guys"; you better change that before you get warned for personally attacking ppl, no offense. ~I'm anonymous

Thanks I sure as He-- did not see that. My apologize to anyone that misspelled word might have offended Heat P

Well ladies and gentlemen our count comes to 5 supports and 2 oposes. Im going to get Deskana to change it. DBZROCKS 22:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a vote. I'll get an admin to intervene if you try to make changes without reaching a consensus. 64.236.245.243 16:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Taskforce?

Our scope is kind of narrow. We only cover Dragon Ball pages. We could make this into a taskforce of the Anime and Manga WikiProject. Nothing much would change.--$UIT 18:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Hate to break the equilibrium, but the Dragon Ball related articles are what should be this project's only priority. Have you seen the Naruto articles? I've been watching some of the show on tv and it almost matches the articles on Wikipedia. I think the problem is that the DB pages are not getting much attention because it is not as recent as these newer shows: Naruto, InuYasha and Bleach. It seems that there are more users who edit the Naruto and Bleach pages then there are of Dragon Ball and InuYasha ones. Only question is: WHY? Here is a list of what I believe are the top five most contributed and referenced anime/manga articles on this encyclopedia, ranking from #5 (best) to #1 (worst):

1. Hellsing (manga)-related pages
2. InuYasha (manga)-related pages
3. Dragon Ball (manga)-related pages
4. Bleach (manga)-related pages
5. Naruto (manga)-related pages

This project should only go for Dragon Ball, nothing more; not including any other anime/manga pages. Understandable? ~I'm anonymous

That's not my point. I'm not saying we start expanding Naruto and other pages, go ahead if you want, though. That's Anime and Manga Project's job as well as the Bleach task force. I'm saying we might be better SUITed (yay, a pun) as a task force--$UIT 07:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with SUIT on this one. The number of Dragon Ball articles we have now is about half the amount we used to have due to the massive article merging and deleting we just went through, and as a result severely narrowed the scope of the DB WikiProject. A task force would definately be best for the Dragon Ball articles. // DecaimientoPoético 20:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactaly with all the deletions its task force time for us. One question though, can we keep our awesome introductory page? DBZROCKS 00:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, to DBZROCKS, and I now see your point SUIT. I support a Dragon Ball taskforce, if it will aid that is. ~I'm anonymous

Nothing would change. Just the WikiProject bits would be reworded to Task Force, which sounds more awesome--$UIT 03:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactally Task force sounds wayyyy cooler which totally warants the change. DBZROCKS 20:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Even though no one seems to disapprove of the task force idea, I'll wait until Friday (Eastern time) for people to post their final thoughts. If no one opposes the idea (simple "Don't turn it into a task force" comments will be ignored; make a real arguement if you want it to stay as it is), I'll make all the necessary changes unless someone volunteers to help. Sound okay, or do you guys have anything you want to add? // DecaimientoPoético 21:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What do you need help with Im sure I could (help) DBZROCKS 21:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Simple things: changing any instance of "WikiProject Dragon Ball" to "Dragon Ball task force" (or something similar to that affect), moving the article to "Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Dragon Ball," things like that. Nothing a 14-year-old can't handle by himself. ;) // DecaimientoPoético 21:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well since no one seems to disaprove of the taskforce idea, I'll go ahead and move the page and make any appropriate changes. Also, someone will have to do something with Template:WikiProject Dragon Ball since taskforces don't really need them. Maybe someone can make a banner that can be merged into the Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga one, like what tjstrf did for Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Bleach? // DecaimientoPoético 21:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa don't get rid of the template. I'll edit it to make it say task force. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say we should get rid of it; I merely suggested we merge it into the WikiProject Anime and manga one (see the banners on Talk:Bleach (manga) for an example of what I'm talking about). // DecaimientoPoético 21:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

But then we would lose the tori-bot image! Why don't we just reword the template itself? DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The new Goku image

Okay, he has wings in this one. How come we never have a "normal" image? One where he isn't dead or have wings?--$UIT 18:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC) — Copy/pasted from Talk:Son Goku (Dragon Ball)

Currently there is a dispute on two Goku images: Image:SonGoku.jpg and Image:Son Goku and North Kaio in Heaven.jpg — which one serves better? SUIT thinks we should have one where he isn't dead, or depicted with wings. I've been seeing that mostly ip users were the ones whom disagreed with the image change. We need to solve this problem now before it gets out of hand. Personally, I want to keep the Goku and King Kai with wings one. Anyone else? ~I'm anonymous

Since when does Goku ever get wings? It looks fake (I'm not saying it is fake, just saying it looks fake). I think we should use the headshot until we can find a better picture. // DecaimientoPoético 21:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Poetic Decay, that image looks like fan art (pretty good fan art but fan art). I also agree that we need to revert the image back the current one is just unprofessional. DBZROCKS 22:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Update Ok peoples click this link, now scroll down to the bottom. Yep this spanish forum (at least that's what it looks like) is where Image:Son Goku and North Kaio in Heaven.jpg came from. This is starting to make it even more probable that this is a fan made image. DBZROCKS 22:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks French to me.--$UIT 22:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't know really, heh. DBZROCKS

I could almost swear I've seen that image before as official promotional artwork. I just cant quite place where. All the same, am I to believe that these two images are all that we can muster for the main character of a property that has spanned a long-running manga, 3 series, and numerous video games, cards, etc? Onikage725 00:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Reminder: I'm 95% sure that the Goku with wings image was actually seen in a Dragon Ball Z ending, though I'm not sure during which saga though. Regardless, I think the Goku with wings one should definitely stay; the headshot image is... too strange, and lacks quality. Anyone else agree? ~I'm anonymous

For the record I do think the picture should be changed but as for the fan art thing. Sorry DBZROCKS but it is an Akira Toriyama official work. I can't believe you guys don't remember where you seen this image. The image is in the first Daizenshuu book, artwork of Akira Toriyama (Which I know most of you dont't have) and the most common place you guys have seen this but for some reason don't remember is if you watch the end credits of the last season of DBZ (The entire Buu saga Japanese version) just as Gohan, Goten and Trunks stop run during the credits and look into the sky there is that picture of Goku and North Kaio with Goku waving Goodbye. that is where you seen the picture at. However the background is in the end credits is of Snake way and not just the big blue sky so it could be digitally removed from the original as by the outlines of Goku and Kaio. Heat P 01:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Still think it shouldn't be in the info box, Its not what Goku normally looks like. DBZROCKS 12:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone have a normal picture of what Goku looks like? Upload it and I'll fill in its fair use rationale and categorize it. ~I'm anonymous

Idea I think we need an image of Goku that isn't a full body shot, as it is kinda disorienting that is not as low quality as our current shot but still has Goku wearing his trademark Gi but not in any SSJ states and prefiribly having a shirt on. DBZROCKS 20:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Here, I believe, is a decent game-screenshot image[1]. In case the link is broken, the picture can be seen below on Goku's profile here. CAUTION: the page in French. ;} ~I'm anonymous

Hm well I don't really like it but at least its not as bad as that image we had that one time of Goku jumping. DBZROCKS 21:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone support me in uploading this image and having it stay on Goku's article BY ALL MEANS? We need a candid survey on this right now to end the "image warring". ~I'm anonymous

Nope I think a shot from the series would do much better. Also the image is to staightforward, people like stuff with more motion. DBZROCKS 22:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I somewhat agree DBZROCKS, but sometimes pics with "motion" are too weird to be appealing. Anything is better then the image that we had on there. I've hated that image since the first time whoever put it up, and I still hate it to this day. The reason why I don't like it is because the postion of his head as well as the angle is too weird on it, even though it's well drawn, it just looks really bad. I'll see if I can dig up a good Goku pic, and we don't have to have one with the newer syle of animation, I actually wouldn't mind a screenshot from the Saiyan saga if it's a good one. It just seems that no one can find a good Goku pic, and I find that really odd since he's the main character of the series. I also wouldn't mind one done by Toriyama himself for the Daizenshuus or the World Book. That one that I'm Anonymous put up is a step in the right direction. --MajinVegeta 04:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The one Im Anonymous put on seemed a little to "out there" for me. DBZROCKS 11:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but my point was that it was from the Daizenshuus. If we aren't able to find a screen that everyone agrees with, then maybe we should start looking at scans from the Daizenshuus. And to answer Suit's question about every pic being one where Goku's either dead or has wings: the answer is simple. People like the pics with the newer animation style, and in all those eps Goku is dead. I agree that "motion" is probably better, but when I go to a page, I like to see the character associating with the veiwer in some way. That's the thing that (for me) makes a good article pic, Goku isn't doing that at all in the pic that we had before the one that Anonymous added. And most of the characters in the other character articles are directly associating with the veiwer in some way. Also even though this will sound weird, I think that Goku is most recognized by his unique hair style, or at least that's how I recognize him. Goku's face means nothing to me, to an average person that comes to the article, it's not that distinguishable from the other characters therefore I don't think that a simple face shot should be used. --MajinVegeta 17:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

First of all it is french, second we need an image the shows more than his face but without any significant weirdness, how can those be so hard to find? btw way that image is not fanart I have seen that artwork before. -凶 12:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I support Im Anonymous on uploading that other image, at least for now. It is a far better profile. It is official. Drawn by Toriyama is not important, since the article is on Goku overall and not just his manga counterpart. If im not mistaken, the current image is from filler anyway... and it really sucks, I'm sorry. It sucks almost as bad as the Kuririn image. Onikage725 13:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well thanks for the support, although it may be too late a vote. Last night, I tried to take a few screenshots of Goku from the Saiyan Saga DVD. One problem: my BMP image converter which changes the file to JPEG is busted, and I can't seem to get it work. Does anyone have any other suggestions? ~I'm anonymous

I *think* Adobe Premiere will let me take a image shot from a video file- I could rip an episode this weekend and give that a try. Onikage725 19:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Great. Good luck to you, we need a better image. Goku deserves better than this. ;) ~I'm anonymous

Im anonymous you can send it to me. I can then e-mail it to my Dad. he can convert files to JPEC. DBZROCKS 20:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I can't even print screen it, let alone e-mail it. I think you meant JPEG though. ~I'm anonymous

Its not letting you right click it? DBZROCKS 21:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Well, its not letting me save it properly, as it saves a big, black blur. I'm getting my own laptop soon so I don't to deal with these bmp to jpeg converters. They're so lame. ~I'm anonymous

Hey guys, I got the S2 box set the other day. When I come across a good shot, I'll run ImToo and rip the ep and see if Adobe will let me take a screen grab. Onikage725 13:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Time to Crack down!

Ok this has gone on long enough I think it is time to seriously crack down on Dragon Ball articles. Many of them are ok but many lack images and good writing. I think we should assign members to specific articles to really improve certain articles, (but of course they can help with other Dragon Ball articles) not just minor editing, Im talking changing sections rewriting adding images cleaning up shorting. But in a more rapid manner than usual. Also many of our video game articles need to be "undubbed" as I would call it. Speaking of video game articles many are too short and have little more than what charecters where in the game. I think with our vast pool of 17 active users we can do better than this! Also many of our saga pages are jumbled and mess up beyond recognition (They usually don't even have images) so whos with me in totally cracking down on Dragon Ball articles? DBZROCKS 22:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

If you actually plan on doing that, you have to be willing to cut down on the cruft by a lot. Ability and transformation lists need to be turned into actual prose. Video game lists should be cut. Plot summaries need to be cut even more than they are right now, and they should implement a more out of universe writing style. There is also the massive need for plain old out of universe info. That and a general clean up will greatly help these. TTN 23:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I do plan to do that and no offense TTN but you use the words Cruft and Crufty an awful lot. DBZROCKS 23:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Would you you rather I use "pointless information", "overly described details", "information only fans need", "junk", or something like that? Cruft is a word that encompasses all of that into one neat little word. TTN 23:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

yeah I guess I shouldn't be picking on anyone, I do use the word Whoops a lot in my edit summaries. DBZROCKS 23:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Assigning members to articles sounds like WP:OWN--$UIT 03:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TTN. I've known about this excessive info for a while, just chose to not act on it and occupied myself with other articles. I think TTN pretty much summed up what has to be done on the articles. I think that the Super Saiyan one is fine, just the Character articles need help. And don't forget about these characters being fictional ones, therefore information regarding who/ what they were inspired by, name translations/ puns, design, ect. That should be the first thing in the article. Personality/ Bio come second. Perhaps we could separate their bios into three sections rather then having a section for each saga. Like for (eg. Goku) we could only mention the important events in the saga. (Personally I don't believe that his fight with Ginyu actually serves a significant purpose other then preparing him for the fight against Freeza, therefore should only be mentioned that he narrowly defeated Freeza's Ginyu force before

fighting freeza himself.) I also don't believe that we need to actually assign articles, I think we just need to keep tabs on what articles are being worked on. --MajinVegeta 07:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute there, I think there might be a solution to this, first off I think we should improve the saga pages, therefore making it easier to shorten the information in the charecter section, also maybe we could just have everyone work on one article extensively for a day and seriously improve it. DBZROCKS 12:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Good suggestion, that's a start. But I also know that encylopedic format is needed for character articles, the info is all there, the sections just need to be re-arranged. It honestly only takes five minutes tops to re-arrange sections on character pages. That could be a start on the character pages, then we could edit the info later. I already started on the Goku page, and the Buu page. The appearence/ design and development is the first thing on the page, all the other stuff comes after. --MajinVegeta 01:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The Sagas

I was looking at the sagas pages and I noticed that shoudn't we only have the Saiyan, Freeza, Cell and Buu sagas? Because thats how it originally was right? I was Thinking we could just have those four sagas and merge the others into It and redirect them to those pages. Whatddaya think? DBZROCKS 12:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

If that happened, the pages themselves would be extremely long =P

Personally, this one is fine. VelocityEX 18:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to say, but no they're really not fine. I was actually gonna start this topic myself, but DBZROCKS beat me to it. While some other editors seem to be on an overzealous merging spree as of late, this is the one thing I really think they ought to be concerning themselves with. First off, most of these pages are dedicated to the original North American DVD releases (all fifty billion of them). This is rendered moot by the fact that these DVDs are currently being replaced with condensed box sets, and will therefore likely be out of print before long. And because they are dedicated to the U.S. DVDs, they are as of now, the only Dragon Ball pages using U.S. dub names, which we've otherwise eliminated from just about every other article.

What they REALLY should be are simply straight saga articles, with little to no ties to the DVDs. And since one of the Dragon Ball wikiproject's guidelines is not adhering to conventions set by foreign adaptations, then a good chunk of these pages really should be merged. Because prior to FUNimation's dub, no official DBZ source broke the sagas down to that ludicrous an extent. I mean seriously, the Trunks saga? What like all five episodes of it? DBZROCKS was right; originally, before FUNimations, the series was almost always broken down to just the big four: Saiyan, Freeza, Cell, and Majin Buu. And that was just for Z. Original Dragon Ball didn't really have as much of an "official" saga breakdown, but I believe it was usually broken down as Pilaf, Jackie Chun, Red Ribbon, Tenshinhan, Daimao, and Ma Junior. Or something to that effect.

Honestly with all the cruft witch hunters around here, I would think they'd be all up for merging the saga articles. And don't worry about length, as they could also go for a drastic rewriting. As is, they're almost blow by blow descriptions, which is certainly not needed. Keep them to just the essential basics, and they should be fine. I myself would be more than happy to do a lot of the heavy lifting on this myself. Set some time aside, and reorganize and rewrite them. Condense it all down to the basics. We'd just have to agree on it first. Fuad Ramses 08:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The Cpt. Ginyu Saga. Nuff' said. Is it really necessary to have a full-blown, multi-section article to state that Ginyu fought Goku, took his body, tried to take it back and wound up as a frog? What was that, 5 or 6 episodes? All because of Funimation DVD marketing? Hell it might make a lick of sense if it was the entire Ginyu arc, but because we have to split it in the middle, it doesn't even go into the other Ginyu events. While I realize this was once the split between (by dub reckoning) the Namek and Ginyu sagas, I should point out that as of the newest DVD box set, that entire arc is simply known as the end of "Season Two," and all of the eps are in the same set (it ends just after the fight with Cpt. Ginyu and the frog-switch, not just before as it previously did).Onikage725 19:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Videogame naming comvnetions

I see this from time to time as a point of contention, so I want to bring it up. The name's are based on the dub, but there is a reason. Unlike a main article based on the series, each of those games is tackled like its own entity (based on Dragon Ball Z). For example, the recent PS2/Wii game - we don't have an article going on Sparking! Neo. The article is on Budokai Tenkaichi 2 and the names used are the ones present in the game. Its kind of like how we call the head honcho of Shadowloo in the Street Fighter series M. Bison rather than Vega. Onikage725 16:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

But is the Funimation Dub used more commonly than the original names? Like how In Dragon Ball Z ultimate battle 22 Vegetto was mistaken for Gogeta but in the article we corrected it.DBZROCKS 20:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Onikage and think we should spell names in video game articles the way they were spelled in the game itself. // DecaimientoPoético 21:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

But that would lead to errors as the games sometimes mess up names completely. DBZROCKS 21:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

True as that may be, a small note can be added to avoid confusion or curiousity as to why the names are the spelled the way they are. // DecaimientoPoético 21:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

What Im getting at is that the names should be consistant. Krillan shouldn't be a link to Kuririn. I thought the redirects were for people who spelled or worded something a differen't way. DBZROCKS 21:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It may be true that the Japanese names are more common, but as they said before, we should use the names provided to us in the game. And I recall that they added a sidenote on the Ultimate Battle 22 Article. Ryu Ematsu

Yes but they replaced Gogeta with Vegetto. If they remain the way they are they should have a / and the apropriate name. Also just wondering is the Funimation dub used in all versions of Dragon Ball Z games? DBZROCKS 21:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Most. For instance, the Legacy of Goku series (even though they spelled Korin's name wrong, with two r's), the Budokai series, the Tenkaichi series, Dragon Ball Z Saga's, Shin Budokai series, etc... That's just off the top of my head. Ryu Ematsu

No I mean in versions besides the U.S.A versions. DBZROCKS 21:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't know. I know the Canadian version uses the same names we do. Ryu Ematsu

Probably due to it being a mostly English speaking country. DBZROCKS 21:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

We were getting the Canadian version of DBZ before FUNimation decided to do the voices themselves, that's also where we got our english names from too. FUNimation just sold it until they decided to get their own inhouse voice actors. Ryu Ematsu

Well still Our wikiproject is Worldwide and if they are going to be kept Funidubbed at least we should check what names are used in the other versions by checking a reliable website other than wikipedia. DBZROCKS 22:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

You're only partially right. But this is the English Wikipedia, so we should keep the names the way they are in the English version of the games. Ryu Ematsu

Yes but the worldwide tag means that this is not just using the English version if the Japanese names are more commen than the Funimation Dubbed names than it will be changed like the rest of our names. DBZROCKS 22:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

My point is the articles are about the video games, not the anime or the manga. And this is the english wikipedia, so we should use the names found in the english games, not the Japanese. Ryu Ematsu

Ok maybe you didn't get what I said and I apologize. But Our Dragon Ball coverage includes all versions of Dragon Ball and GT and Z. Which means that if one version is more popular or more wildly used than it will be used (which is why Tien is Tienshinhan and such) if it so happens that Funimation dubbed names are used in most non english versions of the game than it will stay but if the original names are more common than they will be changed. DBZROCKS 23:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well that is actually not the case here. For one despite them being created in Japan the new Dragon Ball Games are Funimation push projects, not Toei. Games like the older Dragon Ball games would be ok to use the more common or translated names but not in the case of the Dragon Ball games of the last 5 to 7 years do to who is the major contributor of the game. I have played the German version of a few of these games and the names actually are of the Funimation version as they use the American version of the game with a German translation for there country and to let you know they use the actual translated names in their manga and anime version of DB for instant Majin Boo is call Damon(Demon in German) Boo in both there version of DB, and Goku is still Son Goku. But for the game they don't change a thing. So as you can see the Budokai, Tenkaichi, Shin, and the other Funimation Games are Funimation Project Games. So despite how we use their names to headline and use in articles. For thing like actual games we should go the games version of names and link them to the character's article. There people can see why the names are the way they are. Heat P 02:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems like it's been decided. Ryu Ematsu

Yeah, exactly what Heat said. Dragon Ball is long over in Japan- these knew games are basically commissioned by Funimation. Thats why the US gets most of them first, with the Japanese version coming out later with extra features (not all, like I know Super DBZ wasn't the case). Compare to say Final Fantasy- the US gets it second but usually with like an extra boss. The older games, use the original names. I would even say to use them for the ones that were brought over all late by Funimation (like UB22). And what Heat said about linking the game names to the appropriate (correctly named) article is how it is done already. So there shouldn't be too much confusion.Onikage725 20:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, I don't know about other versions of the games myself, but I do know the PAL releases use the Funimation audio and names. I'm also fairly sure most other countries got country-specific dubs of (for example) "Budokai Tenkaichi," not "Sparking!" As far as I can tell, Toei distributes in Japan (and obviously has things correct, even using music from the series in the game) and Funimation is in control of the distribution everywhere else. Onikage725 20:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Muten Roshi, Bulma and Mister Satan merger

I tagged his article page like so [2]. While I agree that he is notable in the beginning of Dragon Ball for training the Z-Warriors, his role is greatly downsized as the series progresses. In DBZ, he didn't do a darn thing to enhance his role in the story, and much less did he do in DBGT. I don't know, I really think he, perhaps also Bulma and Mister Satan should be rid of having their own pages to avoid, as Nemu likes to put it, "cruft". Anyone else agree in particular? ~I'm anonymous

No. Way. Bulma Muten Roshi and Mr. Satan are important enough to warrent their own articles. Everyones role in Dragon Ball is dimished at some point. Our lists are full enough. Bulma in particular has done many notable things such as making the dragon radar, Being the mother of Trunks and the husband of Vegeta. Muten Roshi has such an enormus role in Dragon Ball deleting his page would be rediculus. Tienshinhan's role dimishes but he still has an article. Same with Yamcha. We can't delete everyones articles just because they aren't important later in the series. The only people really important at the end of Dragon Ball were all of Goku's sons, Trunks, Vegeta, Goku, Buu and the east Kaioshin. DBZROCKS 11:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

What? Are you implying that just because Roshi taught the warriors, Bulma invented the radar, and Satan did what he did means that they can keep a page? I think otherwise. Just because they did one important thing does not in any way signify their notability. I agree with what you said though about the Son Goku family, Vegeta and the others. They did a hell of a lot more (though I'm unsure about Goten, Ten, Yamucha and Trunks) to span the series. I still say at least Roshi should be merged, however, I'll tag Bulma's and Mr. Satan's articles with the merge template as well in an attempt to solve this. ~I'm anonymous

Ok, let's discuss this. Should the three humans I tagged: Bulma, Mr. Satan and Roshi, be merged to List of Earthlings in Dragon Ball? ~I'm anonymous

I vote yes for Master Roshi and Bulma, and no for Mr. Satan. Ryu Ematsu

Could you explain why you want Satan to stay? ~I'm anonymous

They may as well just be merged. They probably cannot have more than a few bits of real world information. If anyone can find a number of good sources for Satan's name change, maybe that page could be turned into something decent, but that's probably unlikely. TTN 17:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

In Z, he did have a significant role in defeating Buu. He got Vegeta out of the way and got the people of Earth to give their energy. He also stops Kid Buu from killing the Fat one. Er... Nevermine ^^;; Maybe he should be merged too. It is true that Yamcha and Tien's roles dimished, but they still had a role in Z. Like fighting against the Saiyans, training at King Kai's and fighting the Ginyu Force in the fillers, helping against the androids, even though they weren't much help, blasting Cell in the back in the filler, being there during the events of Buu, etc... (that's all I can think of off the top of my head). Master Roshi never fought in Z or GT. The only time he fought in Z was in the World's Strongest, and that was a movie. He also tried to fight in the Return of Cooler and got easily defeated. So, he doesn't merit an article. Mr. Satan only huge role was the final battle against Buu. Bulma's only merit is making and fixing the Dragon Radar, going to Namek, and fixing Android 16. And might I add, on Namek, she didn't really do anything. She got captured in a filler, and tried flirting with Zarbon, but that's about it. She also swapped bodies with Captain Ginyu in a filler. I guess, in the end, all three of them don't deserve one. Ryu Ematsu

Whoa people, I think we need to keep in mind that Wikipedia is supposed to look at subjects in the present tense. Sure, Muten got sidelined in Z, but he was a major character in DB (a series that spanned over 150 episodes on its own). There's a tendency with English audiences to give Z all the credit, but thats just because it got all the attention. Keep in mind that the original run went from the beginning, Pilaf to Buu (and later GT), whereas we got a chopped up Pilaf, Z up to the Ginyu fight and then a loop of such for years, then went deep into the Cell Saga before DB started its real english run. It seemed almost like a prequal side story in its presentation (what with taglines like "your favorite heroes, only smaller!"). But Dragon Ball IS the original, initial, and dcently-length series DBZ is based on (in manga Z doesnt even have that distinguishing identifier and is simply the later side of the series), and Muten IS a notable character in it. Ditto Bulma, who actually serves much the same function she always did up to the Cell Saga. Mr. Satan... I really dont think he needs an article. Minor comic relief, he doesnt need a whole article just because he gave a pep talk at the end of the Buu Saga. But I'm just saying that these articles are on Dragon Ball as a series, not on "Dragon Ball Z and others." Onikage725 20:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Strongly oppose. I don't think that "importance" is the only issue here, I think it also is the amount of information on a character. I strongly disagree that Roshi and Bulma should be merged, Roshi and Bulma both have very important roles in the series, and not only are they actually present enough in the series to have their own articles, but there's enough indirect information on them to write an article about. Roshi was very important in Dragon Ball, as was Bulma up through the middle of Z. Satan I could deal with merging him, even though he's important near the end, there isn't that much info on him to really make an article out of. --MajinVegeta 21:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree, Mr. Satan doesn't have much of a role, but I couldn't stand Bulma and Roshi being merged. DBZROCKS 21:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Looking over those three articles (again), it appears that their bio's are too narrow and in-depth, "crufty" as it had been defined. {sighs}, I still think all three should be merged for now. Kayla (Majinvegeta) what do you oppose exactly? This isn't a survey, this is a duscussion on whether those articles can be fixed up or redirected to a list. ~I'm anonymous

I am only commenting on the rest but I do say at the less Bulma should stay. Roshi does do much during the Dragon Ball run but after the 23 Budokai other than being a spectator or sensing the fights at his house he does have little info do to his quickly dimishing role. Satan? I wont even comment on him. But Bulma plays what I will call a medium roles(Big to small to big back to small roles). In Dragon Ball she is a heavy influence not just a support character but as a main character too. Of course she is the inventor of the device that if not created none of this would be possible, the Dragon Radar. Dragon Ball her roll is dimished slightly until the Freeza saga for a while. Then her biggest contribute comes in the Andriod saga with her being Vegeta's lover (it was never comfirmed until the Buu saga they were married) and giving birth to half of the "Fusion Twins" Trunks and his little sister Bra as well as being the mother of M. Trunks. The one that conviced Goku to leave his home. She is the one with her Dad's help to fix Kami/Piccolo's ship for the trip to Namek. She is the one to identify Gero helping the Z-fighters find his lab, Ya a little to late but hey it would not DB with someone being late to fight or stop someone,(Goku is well know for that) She is the inventor of Gohan's Saiyaman uniform. And her future self created the time machine for Trunks. With just this little info on some of the things she did or help do she has done a lot in and for the series. It many seem small but it has a bigger picture towards the end. GT during the Bedi saga and towards the end of the Dragon saga she was a major contributor to Vegeta as Bebi Vegeta and as his normal self. Just like Goku, Bulma is Dragon Ball, if not for her and her Dragon Radar this manga or anime would never had exsisted. Heat P 02:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The page is indeed overwelmed with fan cruft, I don't think much will be left of it if some cleanup is done. Why does Satan has it own page anyways, cause of controversy? -凶 02:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Not good, not good at all. Like I kind of expected, this is going hay wire. We have people saying Bulma should stay and the other two merge; we have people saying Mister Satan should go but the other two stay; we have people saying all should go, etc., looks like I have no choice but to create a community poll below. ~I'm anonymous

Survey for merge

Here's how I see it: Add "* Support" if you agree for ALL THREE characters — Muten Roshi, Bulma and Mr. Satan — to be redirected/merged to List of Earthlings in Dragon Ball. Add "* Oppose" if you disagree with ANYTHING of the merge; explicitly state your reason why, then sign your post using ~~~ or ~~~~. ~I'm anonymous

• Strong Support: My reasons were said above but I shall say it again: "CRUFT"! "CRUFT"! "CRUFT"! I see no chance of those articles recovering and becoming good articles like Son Goku, Son Gohan and djinn Boo. As I have said, redirecting all three of them and you know, giving a rather good entry summary, like Chichi's or Gyumao's, seems so much more alleviating and can avoid all that junk to be re-added by anonymous users and re-moved by other users and so on and so forth from time to time. ~I'm anonymous

• Oppose: Both Bulma and Roshi are important characters for big portions of the series, even though they are quite often side-lined later on. And I don't believe that this descision to merge is actually consistent with all the articles. What I mean is that if we merge these characters based on the claim that they can't be imporved, then we are under every justification to merge several other articles as well. I don't believe that they should be merged, Especially Bulma, who has been an important character up through the middle of Z. Not to mention there is actually enough information on those characters to have articles. However, Satan I can deal with merging, there's not a lot of information on him and he's only an important character for a very short time.--MajinVegeta 23:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to do this because some users are right about this poll and voting thing but it seems there is no other way so far.

• Oppose I oppose Bulma as well as Roshi now. Bulma's reason is up top. and Roshi's? I am with MJV. Listen, the reason these articles are cruft to anyone is because everyone, well not everyone but a majority of us editors have usually left these articles alone because of the main fighter characters and Super Saiyan articles. Leaving alone many others to be merged because of people focusing on hot spot articles. That is why a lot of articles got merged is because we got to caught up editing, fixing, and trying to stop vandalism of the DB headline characters. If some of us stop trying to always fix Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Cell, Freeza and the Super Saiyan article which is usually our main focus and try to fix other articles, than some of the articles that got merged may have stayed with their own, and Bulma, Roshi and even Satan may be able to keep their articles. Think about it.Heat P 02:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - My sentiments exactly; more editors (who are usually fans) spend much of their time correcting the superheroes & supervillains articles rather than the "other ones" — this is exactly why those three should be removed from having a page — no one is willing to dedicate themsleves to characters like Bulma, Mister Satan and Muten Roshi, and therefore, crufty information is all they will receive from the usual editor. Unless we can do something of DBZROCKS' recent idea of, "he fixes/watches the Bulma article" or "she fixes/watches the Roshi one", my vote stays the same, although it is still not likely that such ownership of articles would be permitted. Get the point? ~I'm anonymous

Without Roshi there is not Kamehame ha. Without Bulma, no radar, no Dragon ball, no Trunks. Sorry Mr. Satan, I never like you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.149.103.132 (talk • contribs) 88.149.103.132 (UTC)

• Comment - 88.149.103.132, these kinds of arguements should obviously be avoided; don't say things like "Without Roshi there is not Kamehame ha... Without Bulma, no radar," etc. It's basically the same as saying "Without Kami there are no Dragon Balls, no plot" or "Without Akira Toriyama, there's no such manga", etc., sorry but it just sounds very idiotic and babyish. Please support or oppose, & then explain your reason thouroughly. Thank you. ~I'm anonymous

• Strongest oppose ever No we have deleted enough articles. Roshi and Bulma are highly promonent in Dragon Ball up to a certain point. Many Dragon Ball characters have their roles shortaned but we still have articles for them. Mr. Satan however I think warrents and article because of his promenent Buu saga role and that fact that he is in many of the movies. DBZROCKS 17:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose The three have huge roles in one part of the series or another. Bulma was one of the main (MAIN) characters in Dragon Ball, Muten Roshi had huge involvement in the series, and Mr.Satan himself had some prominence in the last part of Z. They have enough information to warrant their own pages. VelocityEX 18:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I can think of a ton of ways of improving the Roshi and Bulma articles. I agree with Heat, most people are primarily concerned with getting the major articles squared away, and haven't looked at minor character articles. Either that, or some of us (like myself) are also involved in non-Dragon Ball articles. So it's not really a matter of not having anything to contribute, it's just our main focus is elsewhere. --MajinVegeta 21:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)